Can we get rid of Slice And Dice?

[Rëhk-area-52]

I agree with the spirit of the change, but I don’t think passive secondaries are the way to go. I’d much prefer the same thing with unique active effects for each spec along with the choice to forgo that for a passive.

Cut to the chase which itself is already very passive competing with a secondary passive boost is just a boring choice. We should fully differentiate and embrace the choice between more meaningful active use, and passive, not passive vs slightly different passive.

Also just to make a minor point where you are mistaken with this statement; “Envenom does not give you increased resource generation or periodic healing, so I’m not sure how you “get that feeling too.” Envenom is satisfying for different reasons.”

It actually does give increased resource generation if you have Dashing Scoundrel.

[Sothê-sargeras]

@Vold-shandris

For Subtlety

I think we need to clarify what specs we’re talking about when we mention things.

For reference, I am always talking about Assassination.

[Sothê-sargeras]

@Vold-shandris

Rupture has the most interaction on Assassination, of course, interacting with Venomous Wounds for energy regen, and a variety of talents for more damage. This is fitting since Assassin is the dot focused spec. However, SnD’s attack speed increase gives you more poison applications during Envenom and Shiv windows for more damage, and drastically more potent Kingsbane windows due to Kingsbane’s damage increasing with each lethal poison application. SnD makes Amplifying Poison stack faster, and makes Dragon-Tempered Blades more potent since all four of your poisons will be applied more frequently. SnD translates to increased energy regen with Dashing Scoundrel, and it works together with Rupture in Lethal Dose.

Ok? And rupture gives an agility bonus, has the ability to be AOE spread to multiple targets for even more, has a capstone to make the AOE spread happen as well, can get a burst from Exsang, can give a burst of energy if the target dies - See how you just like leave all that out?

SnD you don’t interact with anything happening, it’s all just passive other than making sure it is active. Rupture requires more thought on application and spreading and is a more nuanced ability. That is why no one is calling for it’s removal. It’s maintenance that offers pay off that feels rewarding when done well.

Either way, we’re in agreement on CttC making it passive Or just making Envenom add time to it without having to set it up first so IDK why I keep coming back here lol

[Sothê-sargeras]

The voices told me

[Rëhk-area-52]

They got any good jokes by chance? This thread is depressing.

[Sothê-sargeras]

How many Rogues does it take to change a Lightbulb?

We wouldn’t know. Rogues are spys not electricians, so it’s not a trick of their trade.

[Rëhk-area-52]

10/10

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[Vold-shandris]

@Sothê-sargeras

Ok? And rupture gives an agility bonus, has the ability to be AOE spread to multiple targets for even more, has a capstone to make the AOE spread happen as well, can get a burst from Exsang, can give a burst of energy if the target dies - See how you just like leave all that out?

No. I began typing all that out, but didn’t want to be too word-heavy so I implied it here:

@Vold-shandris

interacting with Venomous Wounds for energy regen, and a variety of talents for more damage.

@Sothê-sargeras

SnD you don’t interact with anything happening, it’s all just passive other than making sure it is active.

If faster combo point generation, faster energy regen and periodic healing aren’t tangible class interaction, then I don’t know what is.

@Sothê-sargeras

It’s maintenance that offers pay off that feels rewarding when done well.

Just like SnD.

@Sothê-sargeras

Either way, we’re in agreement on CttC making it passive Or just making Envenom add time to it without having to set it up first

I wouldn’t mind having a choice node between active SnD or a passive, but weaker option. The weaker option should even out in dps since you’d be spending more combo points on other finishers anyway.

@Rëhk-area-52

They got any good jokes by chance? This thread is depressing.

What do rogues and edgelords have in common?

They both pick locks.

[Tavlina-stormrage]

@Vold-shandris

Envenom does not give you increased resource generation or periodic healing like SnD does. Envenom is satisfying for different reasons.

It does when you talent into Cut to the Chase.

[Vold-shandris]

That’s still not really Envenom, it’s SnD.

[Tavlina-stormrage]

Let me pull this down so it doesn’t go over your head.

You said:

@Vold-shandris

Feels fine to me. I press it and I get faster combo point gen, faster energy regen, and periodic healing.

I said:

@Tavlina-stormrage

I get that feeling too, when I hit Envenom. Just saying.

Because Cut to the Chase allows Envenom to refresh SnD. So, every time I press Envenom, my SnD is refreshed. I get all the warm fuzzy feelings from SnD that you get, in addition to the juiciness from an Envenom crit.

[Rëhk-area-52]

You’re both forgetting that Dashing Scoundrel absolutely makes Envenom increase energy regen.

[Darkolive-gurubashi]

@Tekheala-thrall

It wasnt reduced to a crit buff. It was changed bc it was low damage and the stun did nothihg against bosses so it sat unused. The change is good

Still think stun effect was a great ability PvP and PvE related. It gave more interactive gameplay to it. It could stay at least as an option. I’m sure I’m not the only one thinking that way.

[Volkax-moon-guard]

too late. necro