Thats not HC. If you want to do BGs, take the follow the shiny light to the ERA servers.
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I donât think itâs a good player experience to force me to spend hundreds of hours on characters on a different server so I can play something that has always been in the game. HC is the only WoW version where content as been removed. Your argument is the equivalent of stating PvE server players shouldnât be allowed to queue BGs (but they can). They also have access to all honor awards.
Truthfully I think blizzard wouldnât have any issue with it, and itâs just a really small minority of gatekeeping HC players that dislike the idea. This change would bring loads of more players to HC. Literally 100% of classic WoW players I know either donât play HC because of the lack of PvP availability or they wish it was in the game.
I believe the main reason it isnât in the game is because itâs something the developers have not wanted to spend time on (preventing deaths in BGs from transferring outside the BG). A technical issue more so than anything.
I would certainly hope Blizzard would haver a problem making a mockery of HC by allowing people to kill themselves in PvP without having the consequences of it actually being HC.
If you want to run BGs, then simply transfer to the normal ERA servers, donât destroy HC, by allowing anytime of death to not be final. At no time should anyone ever be able to die and not be dead in HC, that includes Battlegrounds.
hey why are queues never popping?
lol, lmao even. good luck.
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I mean BGs have to be enabled first so Iâm just spitballing.
That doesnât make a mockery of HC. HC is 100% PvE. This has nothing to do with PvE. Itâs an addition not a subtraction.
yes it does, your basically giving yourself free lives, also HC is not just PvE and its not just to 60, its everything.
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no.
a death in pvp is a death.
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I do like the idea of ânon-deathâ PvP, âbattlegroundâ which can work. We already have duels which drop you down to 1hp.
As others have said before, either get teleported to a healer after dropping to 1hp and slowly getting healed until back into the match. Or like Arena only have 1 âlifeâ per round. You win when the whole opposing team drops to 1hp each.
Donât think Horde vs Alliance would fit this theme though, since its not a true conflict. Call it âWar Gamesâ instead, keeping the âfightingâ within factions.
When it comes to XP gains, Iâm actually for people earning XP if they win a match. But nerf the gains from regular Classic battlegrounds. Also instead of being able to enter at lvl 10, make it 20 or 30. Meaning you need to do quests in the world and survive for awhile before even being able to enter battlegrounds. Or instead of xp reward, its just some money.
I really donât see the benefit of trying to change the current BG system in any way. Itâs fine the way it is with rewards. I can understand preventing XP gains, but at the same time it takes so many games to ding in BGs (and lower brackets are dead anyways), I donât see it being an issue.
Others will feel like players leveling in BGâs somehow invalidates their HC experience. These are the same players that level to 60 naked and such. Theyâre still allowed to hardmode themselves.
LOL now you think it would be ok to level on HC in BGS with no risk of death and somehow that doesnât make a mockery of HC?
I wouldnât care personally but I bet 90% of players would. I can fully understand and support implementing them without XP. Iâm totally on board either way. I literally donât care how others enjoy the game as long as it doesnât ruin it for me. Itâs no different than mob tagging or boosting in my book, which while I think they are lame, I have 0 desire to do it.
WoW players struggle by excessively comparing their experience to others in the worst way. Like for example - most of us generally donât care if you parse a 99 vs a 96. Seriously nobody cares. But itâs an ego thing for the parser. It feels good to get a 99. Similarly nobody cares about self found players, but many run around finding excuses to mention they are self found. Itâs self validating and thatâs all.
Back to BGs: For some reason it offends people like you that many of us want to PvP. And those most passionate about it will never play HC, when they otherwise would. Heaven forbid I compete against other players in WSG. It also offends others that gear can be obtained through PvP, ignoring the fact players still need to level to 60 and the best gear comes from end game raids. Additionally in all other version of classic players have access to PvP gear, and in HC we donât. Itâs pride/ego issue causing the gatekeeping toxicity in classic. Somehow players stepping into BGs strikes against your pride.
I say blizzard should ignore the tiny minority of haters (and it is a small minority) and find a way to code in BGs for those of us that like to PvP. It does you no harm. Bring in the honor system and let people grind out R14 gear if they so choose. I personally would be thrilled to see warriors in MC/BWL with R14 weapons. It helps me too, and itâs not like I havenât cleared the place dozens of times over the literal 20 years.
Youâre trying to make HC not HC, if you really want to be able to do BGs and die over and over, why are you on the HC server? There isnât anything thats special about HC other than its one life, thats it. You die your dead, it not about being hard or easy its simply one life, only one life, no appeals and it doesnât matter how you die. To many people want to pretend they like HC when its really not what they like but simply because the term âhardcoreâ sounds cool, and they figure it makes them better if they are âhardcoreâ.
What your asking for, the ability to die over and over, that just doesnât fit with what HC is, so why not go play on a normal server where you get to die as much as you want? I mean youâre basically asking for Blizzard to turn the HC servers into normal servers where you can die over and over without consequences, and get your R14 gear. Thats not HC, thats a normal server, so take the transfer and go to a server thats what you want.
Whatever floats your boat man. I donât understand why you hate the idea of others enjoying PvP, but you do you.
This is factually inaccurate, especially for now. A lot of PvP gear is good for multiple classes if not through/until AQ40. Itâs all very good gear to say the least and would allow overgearing and trivializing early raids in the game. Plus, the original PvP ranking system is extremely toxic which is why on new servers they reduced the scaling component to make it easier and faster, which by proxy means if they used that version ranking up a lot of players for raiding would be an incredibly safe and efficient way to get prepped for raids. If they use the original system then weâre back to a very gross toxic system that promotes playing massive amounts of hours for literal months.
If your crusade is about getting BGs to be implemented into HC because you love PvP then it shouldnât be getting access to the gear, it should be about the fun of PvP. To that extent you have my support. Remove gear and revamp the concept of dying in BGs to be about passing out and returning to a medical tent, and let BGs be about having something fun to do when youâre bored and serve no other purpose. This creates new content for people to do and will draw more people into HC. Thatâs a win for everyone in my book, except maybe for the people who hate fun.
Is it truly HC? Some may say no, but the HC addon also required you to be SSF and weâre all over that now so Iâm really not concerned with any fits people may throw over the ability to have non-progression orientated fun through BGs. Those players could also be reminded that normal duels still exist in HC where losing in one is effectively a death as well. Itâs also an original game mechanic that you could argue should have been entirely replaced by Makâgora.
That can be stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
This is what we call a strawman logical fallacy. Even if BGs got implemented with PvP gear and deaths weâre not a normal server by any stretch of the imagination, death outside of it would still make you lose everything. In some ways itâd be kind of comical; imagine someone grinding up to R14 and then dying a week later to something stupid.
That being said I agree that putting that gear into the game would be difficult and really mess with HC balance, and donât support it, but to say BGs being implemented makes HC servers a normal one is laughable.
I support adding BGs to HC so long as the permanent death rule applies.
Definitely no respawns. Death = death.
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Itâs not about not liking PvP, itâs just that its no longer HC if you ever die and its not permanent. When I want to PvP, I switch to an alt on a PvP server. You want to make HC not HC.
HC is simply one thing, all deaths are permanent. You can group, you can be solo, you can be SF, or SSF, or even go the ironman route, none of that really matters all that matters is that death is permanent, thats what HC is. So no, absolutely no BGs where you donât die permanently.
Enjoy your two month long queue times.
Yup I agree, some of these people just dont know how to make the game more fun. Simple fix let us play BGâs but the gear you aquire from BG cannot use or equip in doomhowl. Ta da simple.