Can we get 8 Non-layered Servers at Launch?

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

I’d personnaly want to know why making more servers capped and merging them later is worse than layering. Because for me that would be a better choice for Classic. I’d even take a gradual release where only a capped amount of people are aloud to log each hours on the first 2 days to create less problems in the first starting zone.

[Shinobe-nazjatar (Shinobe)]

log in queues wont be an issue, so busy people can play classic after all

[Zyarana-amanthul]

It’s more that Classic is just a huge time sink. Retail is pretty much perfect for jump in jump out gameplay. Classic needs hours daily, it will be a full time job for anyone playing even half seriously.

[Momotarou-zuljin]

Layering isn’t for casual’s it’s literally to stop population problems, like constant server crashes or queue times which FYI let’s say they got rid of it and predictable this happens all of you complaining about Layering will be back here complaining about the Queue times and Server Crashes.

Are you people dense.

I am sure the last question is rhetorical, but you know they are.
It is such a non-issue, to where the larger issue is, why are so many WoW players intentionally toxic?

[Shinobe-nazjatar (Shinobe)]

thats not really true, i play on private servers and just mess around myself

you dont need to be all in, lots of people were like that in the real vanilla too. there were a lot of people that hit level 40+, but never got to 60

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

@Aelithdra-blackrock

He did say that about sharding. We’re talking about layering. Maybe you have a quote from him?

Layering: Few Weeks or Phase 1

For all the people saying that Blizzard never promised they’d remove layering after a few weeks Timestamp: 6:00: We’re going to continue that process over the first few weeks, till eventually we will collapse down, and we promise we will do this a few weeks in, to a single world per realm, no sharding, none of that going forward. Then the bit that gets the wrong attention. We know that needs to happen before we do something like turn on the World Bosses for example. When we have Kazzak …

Why yes, yes I do…

@Aelithdra-blackrock

Trivial fact. Many War criminals didn’t break the law either. They were following orders. If they refused to follow the orders, they would be breaking the law.

You’re equating war criminals and private servers? A little extreme but ok.

@Aelithdra-blackrock

If people weren’t “breaking the law” as you put it, making private servers, then there wouldn’t be Classic.

That’s highly debateable. They definitely had an effect, but you also ignore that Blizzard specifically shut down Nostalrius and Felmyst. Because they were committing copyright theft.

[Summerayné-alexstrasza (Summerayné)]

I just felt to add a little bit to this in particular, to make sure that we’ve got a full picture in general on what all the promises made by the devs are, so we can evaluate the situation a little more accurately

Understand that, and thanks!

I have been in a rush making some of my posts today so appreciate that lol. But yeah, completely agree Heidene.

[Aelithdra-blackrock]

Why yes, yes I do…

Summerrayne was just a touch quicker on the button.
I also noticed how Ion says that having a huge population at launch would make a very miserable time. That wasn’t true for me at all. I didn’t mind being 1 of 50+ warlocks in northshire spam clicking the spawn point for the imp book. That’s part of the launch experience. The book spawned fast enough to keep some flow.

You’re equating war criminals and private servers?

Did I do that? I kinda thought “Trivial fact” meant just that. Whoops, sorry if you misunderstood.

That’s highly debateable. They definitely had an effect, but you also ignore that Blizzard specifically shut down Nostalrius and Felmyst. Because they were committing copyright theft.

We should thank the pservers for putting the pressure on Blizz to recreate the Classic experience.

[Prayers-terokkar]

Ion also said sharding or crz would never be the current xpac and we see how that went.

[Summerayné-alexstrasza (Summerayné)]

See, that’s my concern.

It was CRZ by the way. This happened at the beginning of Legion. I remember it well. They said CRZ would not be used in new expansion zones. Yet, there would be maintenance, a patch, update or anything like that and CRZ would be enabled in Legion content. People complained in the forums upset about it, Blizzard would then say it was a bug and remove it.

This happened a number of times over a few months or so. Finally one day, they no longer said it was a bug but was intended. CRZ is throughout the entire game in every single zone and city to this day. And what’s really annoying is I play on one of the highest populated realms on some of my other characters and I hardly ever see anyone from my actual realm. And the realm isn’t connected to others either.

Seeing that happen firsthand at the beginning of Legion is what is keeping me hesitant with what they are saying regarding layering. I could see them making excuses or having their reasonings later on for why they think it’s necessary.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Ion also said sharding or crz would never be the current xpac and we see how that went.

No he didn’t. Provide a quote please.

[Xiokar-area-52]

I would feel a lot better if Blizzard told us that these are not intended and will be fixed before launch. I can only assume that it will launch as-is with all of the negative effects.

[Wickess-emerald-dream]

The moment Actiblizz said an authentic Classic experience is what we’ll be getting.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

That’s interpretation, not something he said.

[Abigaiil-tichondrius (Abigaiil)]

Correct - but his boss said this:

“One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want.”

Ion told us we get sharding in the starting zones. Now we are getting this layering c*** for a few weeks apparently.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want.”

And ‘extrapolating’ the follow on assumption:

That said, the first few weeks when everybody is packed into Valley of Trials, when everyone is packed into Elwynn, we think we can use sharding there in a limited, time limited, way to solve the initial launch day load problems , while making sure that in the long run as server communities solidify, there’s a healthy population, and a single world for everyone to live in.

The age of both quotes is ‘pre-layering’.

[Abigaiil-tichondrius (Abigaiil)]

If you think layering is the best option that is fine. But cut the BS with what Blizzard said. They moved from:

1. Tenent of classic wow is no sharding;

2. Sharding in Valley of Trials and Elwynn;

3. Layering for a few weeks.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

They went from

1. We know the community won’t like sharding; to
2. We know you don’t like sharding, but we’re investigating ways to have a smooth launch using sharding just at the start; to
3. Given the feedback on people disappearing from view, we implemented a different type of sharding that helps make it feel more contiguous, for the first few weeks, before we promise we’ll remove it.

It’s almost like you expected them to be able to nail down guarantees before they even looked at the situation.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

I hope those aren’t your alts that are liking every post you make. But out of curiosity…did you pay someone to do it?

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

But out of curiosity…did you pay someone to do it?

I’d like them to stop if possible. It’s weird and kinda creepystalker.

EDIT: I think the accounts are getting a time out. They’re down to only 6 now from 8.