There are a few spells we can’t use without a bow. Can we just get an offhand crossbow or a pistol or something that will allow us to use those skills? On top of that, our DPS is the worst of any class. I know it’s a meme class, but it’s so much fun to play and it sucks having a main that can hardly compete. With all of the other classes getting tuned it just feels like we’re being neglected.
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this is me lol
there is no “fixing” survival it needs a complete redesign and need to use a ranged weapon. Hunters are not a melee class.
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You can fix survival by Giving it Arcane shot and alow arcane shot to reduce CD of bombs buff bombs especially its main target damage. Kills and harpoon and all of our charge abilities reduce the CD of disengage or give free charges of disengage or second charge and alow arcane shot to proc poison stings also. Also give a buff to Arcane shot where does % more damage as a dot that can stack up to 5 times. have butchery go against a modified chakram ability instead of cleave and moongoose bite can heal like DK death strike and is our burst damage. And change flanking strike into a charge that weakens the enemy for few seconds. Replace fury of the Eagle with a bomb related keystone or arcane shot themed keystone.
I cant use shield slam on my arms warrior without a shield. Guess its broken now.
people reaaaaally need to stop going off world first and no lifers for talking points.
eh
true
enhancement shammys wanna drop in on this
you contradict yourself in one sentence lmfao also no
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Survival is VERY close to being amazing. They just need to land the plane.
It’s still fun as hell, though.
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Why fix something no one plays? Maybe fix the much more popular ranged specs first.
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Heres an idea, how about fix the one spec that has always been below the others in both player count and numbers. THEN we can worry about the other two specs that have always had a decent player count to them and been decent in overall dps. 
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Bruh it’s been like 6 years give it a rest. Survival is melee and it’s staying melee for good. You have 2 other range specs to choose from, stop crying.
Survival is my favorite spec in the game by at least a factor of double. I love it, despite it’s flaws. It just needs a little attention from Blizzard.
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Plenty of people play Survival. It’s just the highest skill-cap spec in the game, so you need to play well and put in more effort to perform with it. That can scare people off.
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Can’t talk about survival spec, exchange ideas, wish for improvements or even just say you like the spec without a bunch of people droning on about the past or making you feel lesser because you like something different. Some people will even write you a whole essay about how “youre wrong to like survival and its a horrible spec and peope who like it are delusional 
”
Enjoy what you like, its your fun, your subscription, do what you like with it.
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We all know how to fix it but many of us are in denial.
Didn’t you get debunked on this just a few days ago?
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Survival being melee means Hunter is as much of a “melee class” as Shamans and Druids are due to Enhancement and Feral. And Hunters aren’t a “ranged” class anymore and haven’t been since 2016.
And the only fix Survival really needs is for the Guerilla Tactics nerf to be reverted and then maybe a small buff to Butchery/Carve if AoE is still lacking then, and for a redesign it just needs the unplayed talents to be adjusted, same as any other class & spec.
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nothing wrong with Boomkins
Truth
idk man, you been in denial for going on 7 years now. Time to forget her, shes not calling you back
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i 2nd the offhand crossbow thing. i mean when we fire kill shots and explosive shots we pull out a 1h crossbow. So logically we should be able to use at least arcane shot if steady shot isn’t possible. Would be nice if we could dual wield too since we can wield 1hs anyways.
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But classes like Warrior, Rogue, DH and DK stand a much better chance of getting fixed. Why? Because WAY MORE PEOPLE play those classes. In the Comparativese language, SV is extremely low priority at best and Blizzard trashed the 9.2 itineration which was the best and the only good version.
If this was even a true democratic process, SV would never get majority voting power in the community. Unless you want to show me mainers of other melee classes supporting MSV, but I don’t think it’s there. Unless multiboxing you can only seriously play one class at a time and SV empirically seems to be that nice “afterthought” after you’ve already had farm mode in a season.
Class>spec>comp>gear>skill. This affects representation at the very core.
When time is precious, it’s going to be too late in a season when you FINALLY get that Ph.D after eight long years of study and research on getting good at SV and only then to start all over again.
It’s almost like a zero-sum game: the more time you spend on mastering SV the less time you spend analyzing comps and strats. When the quicker people in good class/specs pick up faster than you do, and take and hold rating better than you do, you’d be scratching your head hard-stuck at 1800 wondering what went wrong.
So I agree with Syrenta: it’s not worth it. Even if it cost a raid tier it wouldn’t be worth it because of the abyssal pop and representation of MSV. I bet people would be FURIOUS if we lost a raid tier to overhaul SV spec. 
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Definitely true. Not sure where or why people keep saying or implying Survival has a large playerbase when the logs clearly show otherwise.
What a dumb statement. You think people wouldn’t be furious if we “lost a raid tier” to overhaul Frost DK (even though it’s good there are huge issues with its current design)? Elemental? What about Ret?
Absolutely ridiculous that you’d imply the playerbase wouldn’t be fine with a Survival overhaul if it cost a tier but would be more accepting if it was another, more played spec.
Overhauls shouldn’t cost tiers since it should be different teams working on those two parts of the game, and specs shouldn’t be left as bad just because if it was good it’d make some players (in this case BM & MM Hunter) mad.
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Pointless statement. There’s no pretending that making Survival melee is self-justifying and automatically makes a melee spec fit well for Hunters. The history of the class before Legion and how the class is framed all the way to now matter and it all reinforces Hunters as a ranged class and Survival as the odd one out.
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Survival should be full on ranged with optional melee that give you more burst at sacrifice of range.
Id go as far as saying melee use be part of our SV when it was just the defensive ability tree and give all hunters a melee strike that heals that has a base 8yrd that does decent damage and healing so we can use it as a retaliation but that might be going to far.
Other then that survival just doesn’t stand toe to toe melee specs.
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yea tbh i wish people would just stop talking about SV. its basically a failed experiment and doesnt deserve a 5th rework.
plane been flying for 6 years apparently
legion - reworked, bfa-reworked, dragonflight - reworked, players - still ignoring
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