Cause it’s never been this terrible. Trying to M+ as a DPS is like “apply to 20 groups and hope 1 takes me”
610ilvl including 4 set, can’t even get into 5’s. Decline, decline, decline
List my own key, 30 mins later can’t find a tank or a healer - give up
It’s pretty bad. Keys were booming in season 3 of Dragonflight. I played a Warlock back then and easily got 2k rating
It is almost like… that’s the reason why folks liked Dragonflight season 3: it didn’t challenge players at all, and was, effectively, just free gear.
M+ is supposed to be an endgame pillar which includes progressing through it. Not “I signed up for a group and got gear and a teleport that’s supposed to indicate a higher level of skill for free.”
Your statement here is why M+ in TWW is actually challenging: because it is supposed to be challenging, and not a cakewalk.
Except M+ isn’t challenging. The average WoW player is just bad at the game. There is a difference.
When the “challenge” is just getting the group at all instead of anything actually playing the game, that’s just crap.
M(asochist)+
The problem is you’re throwing yourself at random parties. Blizzard is fully intent on destroying uncoordinated pug gameplay so your best bet is finding a consistent group. If that even means you tank so be it.
just get past 2600 raider io
Agreed. Definitely not a fan of the M+ changes. Been predicting the general dislike since they first announced the rework
Sad but true. I think they underestimate how long the casual playerbase will continue playing the game like this though. This is the most I have ever seen offline in friends list in at least a few expansions.
You mean Blizzard nerfed the power of tanks into the ground and now there are less. Weird…
Agree. It almost feels like Blizzard decided that +31 keys being timed means the system is a failure and they have to make it scale harder.
It’s such a shortsighted decision. Who cares what the highest level on the keys are? Those numbers are what help differentiate the skill levels of players in the system. The easier it scales, the easier it is for people to see the level at which players hit their wall.
This season, you’re going to end up with a logjam of players at level 17 or something and you’re probably going to end up with far more than 0.1% of them stuck at the same level.
Should have just left it alone and let the key levels sort themselves out. What was so wrong with the way things were before?
I couldn’t even get into an 8 delves as a 587 tank. And I solo delves easily. The amount of gatekeeping these days is crazy.
I know this is common knowledge, but M+ was never designed to be PUG groups.
It is an alternative stream for end-game content to raiding.
It is much more challenging than it used to be, but that is by design. They have decided to stop the gravy train of loot.
Best tip would be to find a solid 5-man group on voice chat and coordinate mechanics, and you will find more success.
Or, continue pugging to extreme frustration.
Yes let’s punish people for playing our game
I’m glad we at least got universal recognition that people only “liked” M+ when it was phenomenally easy yet still gave the best gear in the game.
This is the problem.
“Not getting free end-game loot for no effort” = “punishing” to you
Get better, find a group, or play something else?
You give them your money every month. Make a better choice if you dislike the game?
Except the people getting “challenge,” at +25 key in DF can still be challenged by a 15 now.
The people who topped out at +8 keys no longer have an option. Heroic is to easy, M0 with no timer is doable and 2-3 keys wreck pugs.
WoW has existed for 20 years because it lets players of all ranges do something… not everyone can do bleeding edge keys some of us just want low-mid content keys and those are gone
Problem is, they know that if they keep whining, Blizzard will continue caving in. The caving has already started, history shows if they keep it up, the caving will continue. Blizzard has no backbone on this, they will always make M+ easier and easier for better and better rewards as long as the complaint train keeps up. (Which it will.)
no they aren’t
m0 and m1-3 are low end content
M+ isn’t intended to be completed with pugs and literally zero communication
be better
apply to 20 groups and hope one takes you is dragonflight s3 as a dps. in fact, it’s been my experience ever since I started running m+ in shadowlands.
Blizzard doesn’t cave to whining, they cave to metrics going through the floor. Participation in War Within mythic+ started low and was falling fast this has been shown in stats from various sources. This is what causes the changes we are seeing weekly and no matter what some say some fights (Looking at you Stitchfest) were way overtuned compared to the rest of the dungeon they lived in.
They also did a very bad job of not thinking through the affixes and how they interact with specific parts of boss fights. We should never have had “Must kill” adds spawning during the fight phase on the boat fight or stuff coming from the ocean side of the end boss of Boralus.