Can we finally just drop the race/class "lore restriction" pretense?

I know it won’t happen but it would be SO COOL if NE paladins had all the flashy gold animations replaced with silver animations.

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Worgen paladin should just run in all four like their racial when they use their divine steed spell

Yes but that would require Blizzard spending time on Worgen. Sad thing is the Worgen mount for paladins already exists in the Worgen pvp mount. Just remove the skulls slap a holy thing in that spot and poof instant paladin mount. (I’m on my phone or I would link the mount I’m talking about)

ARAC is coming for everyone the only class that I hope they stick to is Dracthyr Evokers. If you’re not a dragonoid you shouldn’t be an Evoker. I would rather see Dracthyr get Visage form for the other races.

Great idea, I’m cool with that.

Here’s something I’m not sure anyone ever asked. Do they want them as a player based like for content wise? Or want them rp based?

If rp based:

Trolls can get away with these classes. Cause voodoo is basically a cheat code. Now that’s a prime example that it can fit within the lore and class.

If Blizz could make some short stories of each race on why they pick up these classes (except evokers), it could work. Just a smidge of realism to make it stand in well for all.

But one gotta realize there is a time you might not have someone who will follow the same concept. Cause no one wants to be tagged as a special snowflake, much as I dislike using the word.

If player based:

Wouldn’t much harm if one wanna play a class with the right racial, wouldn’t hurt the lore cause it can just be ignored. Cause certain race with certain racial can be pulled off some good dps, tank or even heals if they are played right.

Now the downside of it is that class needs to be adjusted so neither overpower other classes on certain races. Which is gonna be a hassle of itself since each patch or expansion some get the short end of the stick class wise.

Either all, this more kept in mind.

I’ve wanted a Forsaken Paladin since forever. If they can be holy priests, they can be paladins. Give me my undead crusader that puts himself through the agony of wielding the light for Great Justice!

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One issue for druids is Blizzard screwed up putting so much time and effort into Kul’Tir and Zandy troll druids. They made both those races the new druid standard rather than the old Formula of Night Elf druid forms being the baseline and druid forms like Tauren having horns, Worgen having manes… ect. Now people are going to expect so much more out of the druid forms. Druids will be the last ARAC class in game mark my words.

Can we drop these threads asking us to drop race/class lore restrictions?
I get tired of having same conversations over and over and over…

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But worgens and trolls forms were already different from the night elf and tauren forms

They can go back to cat/bear, but still make it unique to the race

Orcs and Draeneis should be the next two druids, obviously(both races close associate to other druid races, Orcs with taurens and trolls, dranei with night elves, both already have nature oriented classes and philosophy with shamanism being very similar to druidism, even sharing concepts and power, aka spirit, orcs even worship wild gods like goldrin) dranei cat form, by example, would be similar to a panthara of their world, but have back legs with hooves, the head with horns and their tentacles; Orc cat form would be a lion from the barrens, close to their home, but with tusks on the lower jaw, with rugged mane like their hairstyles.

Man, so much to explore with druids, we had many expansions about emerald dream and druids and we still have just Night elf stuff, blergh

But when you compare how much time and effort they put into the newer druid races it sets the bar fairly high compared to just slapping something like horns, or a mane on a druid form.

Nah, man.
We don’t need to desecrate the Lore’s corpse even more.

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against my better judgment i will engage with this if for no other reason than to not let it go unchallenged…

i think you kinda contradicted yourself here. “this race CANT be this class because MOST americans arent pagans.” ok, but americans can be pagans… so different races can be different classes, even if it is not popular. you can absolutely make the argument that the majority of blood elves wouldn’t be shamans/druids, but you can’t make the argument that they can’t be shamans/druids. and if a race/class combination can exist in the lore—as in it isn’t literally physically impossible—then it should be allowed in the game. simple as!

hell, look at night elf demon hunters. i’d say demon hunters definitely go against the grain of the “majority” of night elf society… that’s kind of their whole schtick. not to mention, it takes a lot more than just deciding you want to practice fel magic to become a demon hunter—it’s an incredibly difficult process that only the strongest can even survive. so it’s only a small number that are even able to achieve this. and yet we’re allowed to play them, despite them being a very tiny outlier of the overall kaldorei population. because they’re cool, and they can canonically exist despite being outliers, and people were asking for them. diversity win! :+1:

as a brief side note though, respect for nature is actually something that some rural thalassian elves have canonically had. did you know some high elves were friends with the treants of eversong? did you know, farstriders were often so closely connected with nature that they didn’t need the sunwell as much as other thalassian elves, so their withdrawal symptoms were lessened when the sunwell was destroyed? so it’s not like it’s completely out of left field.

but that’s besides the point—even if it didn’t have a lore basis (which it does, as i have demonstrated), if it is physically possible, if there is no reason why an individual of a certain race absolutely cannot become a certain class, then it should be available as an option in the game. racial essentialism is outdated. so bring on the race/class combos!

a very small number of combos are perhaps a bit too far-fetched (like, idk, dracthyr death knight or something LOL), but any kind of class where you can pretty much just go “hey i want to study this kind of magic/worship this kind of deity/etc” and become that class? yeah that should definitely not be race-restricted by the game. that’s not a stretch, that’s just a person with free will deciding to do/be what they want. “i like flowers and i want to do flower magic. so i am learning flower magic!” it really is that simple.

i’m a major lore nerd myself—i want everything to be lore-accurate. i want to be given lore explanations for every new race/class combo introduced. but the thing is, most people here seem to be confusing “lore breaking” for “uncommon.” it’s uncommon for, say, a worgen to be a shaman, for instance. but it’s not lore breaking. so yes i want the “lore restriction” pretense dropped—not because i don’t want lore, but because it really is just that in the vast majority of cases: a pretense. a flimsy excuse to not implement something that you could make work in the lore if you bothered trying. i see sooo many people get up in arms saying “omg you guys just want to throw away all the lore!!1!!!1!” um… the lore that explicitly states a worgen can’t be a shaman, or a blood elf can’t be a druid? i must have missed that quest text…

so many uncommon—not lore breaking, but uncommon—race/class combos can be easily implemented simply by supplementing/complementing the existing lore, not retconning anything. i think that point often gets lost in these convos.

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that depends, all the zandalari forms, with the exception of boomkin, already existed as npc, they just reused, same for Kultiran

Your not wrong. But compared to Tauren Druid and Worgen Druid forms they really look quite unique.

it makes sense, due to their unique and different form of druidism, zandalari having the dino loa and kultiran having the drust magic, the others, learning by other races, would not need something so drastic different

Worgen could use Pack form instead of normal kitty. :slight_smile:

Man, I use bear and cat form for worgens would just be their worgen form but more…feral and full of druidic themes. More wines around them, the fur more coarse and rough. More vicious looking and the claws being enhanced by nature.

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this is a video game. it’s not history. it’s pure fiction.

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I would totally play a Worgen Demon Hunter.

I’d probably make it my main.

The way I see it, is most races should be able to be most classes, even if it’s ‘unlikely’, or ‘uncommon’. In lore the blood elves were nearly wiped out, yet they’re one of the most played races in WoW. Demon Hunters were a small select few that managed to survive, yet they’re able to be a playable class. Void elves couldn’t of been more than a handful of the population, yet some how were made a race, over the long requested, and likely more numerous High Elves, which themselves were no more than 1% of the population.

I’m not saying every race -should- get every class, mind you. I think there should be -some- exceptions to the rule. A few examples of such would be Demon Hunters, Evokers, and Death Knights.

Demon hunters, until given another large scale demonic threat, likely won’t be recruiting, and the success rates are very low, so unless we get another Legion invasion, I’m not expecting any more of that class.

Death Knights, most races can be them, with the exclusion of the newest two, and potentially future races. I don’t personally see any issue why say, the Dracthyr couldn’t become a Death knight, assuming there was some basic lore reasoning for it, say… Some of the Sundered Flame found their way onto some cursed relics that reanimated them, or stumbled into Nefarion’s Lair to claim their ‘birthright’ and were cursed with undeath. Etc. There were death knights prior to the Lich King’s rise to power, just different means to reach it. However, Earthen? Should never be able to become DK’s, as they aren’t flesh and blood.

Evokers, they’re more of a result of experimental draconic tinkering, than a legit ‘class’ that people can learn to become. If anything, I’d argue the easiest way and one that’d earn a lot of favor from the players, would be just give the Dracthyr as a race, the option to pick other races as their visage.

Some other class combos that I’d argue shouldn’t of been? Mag’har warlocks, by all accounts, shouldn’t exist, unless we’re to expand on the idea of ‘warlock’ not being a fel user, but just any ‘dark/taboo’ magic user. Mag’har do have blood magic through Bleeding Hollow, and void/shadow through Shadowmoon, so I’ll begrudgingly overlook it, but it still seems odd.

Void Elves shouldn’t get access to Paladins, unless they get some void colored treatment as an option, similar to the Eredar skin for Draenei altering their racial heal color to be fel green. As unlike Draenei/LFDraenei, who -could in theory- go warlock… While they would likely be seen with some serious side eyes by their peers… Nothing prevents them. Where as Void/Light sort of don’t get along so well. (However, I could see with the right lore, velf paladins existing. Light and void are mirror images to one another, Naaru can shift between the two. Could make the argument for some sort of ‘Darklight’ paladin. As not all the paladins worship the light in the same way.)

I don’t really see any other cases where things couldn’t be a hard ‘no’ in lore, given the warlocks for everyone already. There’s already an undead and nelf paladin. We have seen at least a resto druid adjacent Belf and Nborne as botanists, and double that with their astronomy both races seemingly use for balance. Undead druids and shaman could tap into the drust magic that the Kul’tiran druids use, or darker shamanistic side like the trolls do with their hexes and voodoo.

TL:DR, Most races can be most classes under the right circumstances/lore, with a few exceptions.

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