I do recognize it, I simply skip over it because it’s not relevant in the overall discussion. You believe that you’re still a High Elf per culture with a Blood Elf but this is simply far from the truth.
We already had this conversation above, so I’ll skip this.
I strongly disagree.
You actually mean Gilthares Firebough, no? I had to check this up but this doesn’t change a thing for a simple reason: It’s not a major thing, like other same-model-enemy-races we had during several expansions in the past. So no, he and the Ghostland Wraiths are no actual point you get credit for.
Extensive projecting part of yours and not comparable in either of both scenarios due lack of actual development and because they are no AR yet. The introduction and storyline quest from other ARs are also part of the lore and not just “flavor texts”, so your argument has no substance.
And to drive the point further: It’s just your cognitive bias. If we bring in other storylines (main race introduction, Heritage, …) I came to the conclusion that nothing really screams High Elves about the Blood Elves. Ironically, the Sylvanas/Uther-cinematic feels more like actual High Elves content to me than the questline with the Pylons or the Blood Knight storyline with the child, who grew up to become a Paladin.
Feel free to point out storylines about High Elves we should discuss about.
You missed the whole point I made. Let’s try this again.
It is relevant since you’re nit-picking a semantic use of a word like it has any meaning beyond that. You’re convinced you’re making some compelling point, but all you’re doing is making it obvious that you have none beyond semantics.
Such compelling logic.
Gilthares Firebough is a High elf, his captain Thalo’thas Brightsun (also a high elf) sends you to rescue him to which Gilthares helps you defeat Alliance soldiers and captains on his way. They’re both High elves even til this day, and are defined as such on the wikis. You can also still see them in live if you go there, and they both have updated High elf models.
There’s also Gilveradin Sunchaser another High elf who does not side with the Alliance and is friends with Orcs in Orgimmar.
I’m sorry if this fact threatens your narrative.
How is it projecting? The whole story about the remaining High elves currently is that they’re roaming nomads with no home. No starter zone is ever going to be more High elf themed than their homeland, and city packed with quests revolving their culture and identity. You’re in some serious denial.
Right, nothing about Blood elves screams High elves except for their quests, their armor, their land, their voice lines speaking High elven. You’re simply locked to the idea that the only thing that looks High elven are “Alliance” High elves, which is just your bias and igorance. You can’t even actually argue anything beyond “i disagree” because you’re probably aware that your argument would look unconvincing in words.
There has been no point, you’ve been rambling jumping from self-made argument to argument. You can’t stay on any one point and haven’t make a single convincing argument this whole time.
i dont think blast actually wants playable high elfs for alliance. she just dislikes the way the subject unfolded when allied races became a thing, with people requesting alliance high elfs having their threads shut down, being flagged to the point they were banned for 1 or more days, and the constant barrage of people harassing helfers. at one point, i was banned for 48 hours, just for logging in the forums and saying hello in a helf thread. apparently, anti helfers had hired a service that would flag bomb whatever topic they chose and if they did it on a weekend, you couldnt get help to restore till monday
I don’t really have a problem with anyone who feels that way, the way they respond is just very dishonest. They don’t actually acknowledge any point, and instead when they’re clearly wrong they resort to ad hominem, or ramble about nonsense that has nothing to do with the conversation.
For example, when I made a comment about how 99% of the High elves returned home when the edicts came out, they tried to shift into a conversation about Void elf population numbers when that was never brought up or even referenced.
And notice how they tried to claim both those High elves weren’t High elves and the moment they were proven wrong they go “oh you’re too emotional” and avoid the conversation.
well it is rather perplexing that they werent just called blood elfs since they agreed with and lived with the blood elf peoples and even called them “my lords.” why they still retained the helf title is weird.
I did not stop because I was “wrong”, you had posting-wise nothing more to offer. The discussion ended in a “no, you - no, you” with jabs left and right and that’s not attractive to me.
Let’s try this in a few weeks when you have calmed down.
I imagine these titles aren’t as important to the characters as they are to us. Alleria for instance identifies as both a Void elf and a High elf despite never having come out as such, or made any such declaration. Being a High elf doesn’t really represent anything in modern wow as they aren’t coordinated, or unified as a whole but rather are a bunch of groups with different ideals and beliefs. Some are worst than blood elves/Void elves, becoming cultists, others not so much.
Gilthares Firebough and Thalo’thas Brightsun are different High elves than Auric Sunchaser.
Thalo’thas Brightsun is a High elf Privateer from classic who passionately hates the Alliance and sends you on a quest to kill Alliance soldiers and captains. You encounter another High elf imprisoned in an Alliance tower named Gilthares Brightsun (One of thalo’thas’s deckhands I believe.) You escort Gilthares Brightsun who insists you kill every Alliance you come across before returning him to Thalo’thas.
Auric Sunchaser is a High elf that left for Outland before Arthas attacked Quel’thalas and before the High elves took on the name Blood elf. He returns home to Quel’thalas after we defeat Kael’thas and restore the Sunwell. Auric was the captain of Allerian Stronghold, an Alliance outpost full of High elves and other alliance races.
I mean I offered explanations you resorted to “no i disagree” with nothing of value to offer the conversation. Even when I have shown you clear as day that both those elves are High elves you still won’t admit it, which tells me that you’re the emotional one unable to admit when you’re wrong, meaning there was never anywhere this convo was gonna go if you didn’t like how it sounded.
You’re clearly the emotional one here if you’re stubborn enough to not admit when you’re wrong, even when it’s clear as day. Perhaps when you feel more rational we can have a conversation again.
Another theory is that “blood elf” is a name that was given to them by Kael’thas after the attack on Quel’thalas (For the blood that was shed defending their homeland), and I imagine it may appear like stolen valor for a High elf to take on the name despite not being present during the attack and restoration of their city. Sort of like someone pretending to be a veteran.
I imagine you were either renamed Blood elf by Kael’thas, or you’re born as one.
technically, they are high elves in nearly the same fashion as blood elfs are technically high elfs. what i mean by that is, they are embracing the belf way of life, they are residing with belfs, they have re-adopted the hierarchy of blood elf leadership even though its no longer a monarchy, they’ve even honored their honorary titles, such as “my lord.” for all intents and purposes, they’re blood elf in everything but name, which was a conscious decision of the devs since they strictly monitor the helf npc pop
Just to play a bit of devil’s advocate on the “lord” business, Auric was permitted to be near the sunwell as a representative. The sunwell is squarely under control of the blood elves, whose lands he is standing in. To my mind he was simply being respectful, not necessarily acknowledging them as “his” lords. This also makes sense given how quickly they turn on him when an alliance player turns in the sword.
The Alliance has already playable High Elves and you are right, to some degree regarding how the behavior etiquette went down on these forums. The tantalizing and immature thing how people reflect on “purple blood” is the equivalent to the Stoneform racial, but this will likely only get people who actually have researched it a bit.
I’m not sure sure. Auric even refers to himself and Lor’themar and Rommath as “us”, implying he counts himself among them. Just before that line, he also refers to blood elves and high elves collectively as the “children of Silvermoon” which implies that his use of “Lord” wasn’t a propriety thing, but that he sees them as his lords.
The belf way of life is the High elven way of life as well. After all Blood elves still practice their High elven traditions and beliefs, and I imagine old-school High elves like Auric appreciate this unlike the Alliance High elves who have largely abandoned and purposely distanced themselves from anything “traditionally High elven” because they felt it would remind their Alliance counterparts of their past as High elves and their soured history.
Returning High elves may identify as both much like Alleria identifies as both, or they may simply retain their name as High elf because they were not present for the attack or reconstruction.
I mean Alleria identifies as both, and I’d say Void elf culture is pretty much the anti-thesis to High elven culture. If High elves hated the Fel, then I’d imagine they completely loath the Void considering that it stands against the pillar of High elven society and the light, and now even threatens the sanctity of the Sunwell.
I imagine any light-abiding High elf probably looks upon Void elves like corrupted mockeries of their people.
its so mean of them to finally give us thalassian models, then corrupt the ish out of them so belfs can say na na na na boo boo. lol what, man, you folks dumped the corruption in one expac. but we, the lucky faction of the tentacled people, cant beg, plead or melt a naaru. le mew, le sigh.
I mean, we went through the same thing from the Alliance side. The endless insults on how the Blood elves are “fel” corrupted and how unpure and evil they were. I guess its your guys turn now
its so mean of them to finally give us thalassian models, then corrupt the ish out of them so belfs can say na na na na boo boo. lol what, man, you folks dumped the corruption in one expac. but we, the lucky faction of the tentacled people, cant beg, plead or melt a naaru. le mew, le sigh.