Only on two conditions:
Otherwise what’s the point.
yes cause there shouldn’t be a next time, END THE CYCLE
So they shouldn’t do good things to help the people hurt and should what, ‘own up’ by saying ‘we did genocide’? That sounds way worse.
Problem is the cycle was ended all the way back in Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos. World of Warcraft just started it up again.
no they ran away from the problem and the horde glorifed the very orcs that waged a war of genocide on the humans
They basically said we good know and kept in there systemic bad culture they kept everything that caused the issues in the first place
Lol no it’s not, it’s just another way for the Horde to look like heroes.
If they ‘helped’ the people they hurt by indirectly aiding the Alliance heroes or paying off reparations or accepting some sort of consequences for their actions sure. They shouldn’t literally be the ones to go into the maw to save the souls they put there in the first place, that just makes the Alliance look pathetic and incompetent, that they have to rely on the people who genocided the Night Elves to save them because they are too weak to do it themselves.
If you’re all okay with being submerged in the same muck that Horde was forced down into and being stained with it for all time, sure. Knock yourselves out. Just know you can’t really use the “it’s justified retaliation genocide” as an excuse though. You’d still be breaking peace and starting a war and murdering civilians for the sole purpose of vengeance. Alliance wouldn’t have the “moral high ground” anymore.
That would be ideal but I don’t see it lasting for very long. Eventually the devs are going to start thinking they need to rekindle some original Warcraft Orcs and Humans style of content.
So that doesnt excused wanting a bad part of the story, the reason the devs do the story is cause players keep telling them they want war
They really didn’t; both Reign of Chaos and Lord of the Clans make it very clear that Thrall had restored the orcs’ original connection with the elements, thus freeing them (at least until Grom drank the felblood) from demonic corruption.
Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos was literally all about, “Ok, so all this time there’s been an army of demons that’s been responsible for everything. We need to finally put aside our differences and work together to save this world.” It was the original “We’re Breaking the Cycle.”
All of that got thrown out the window once WoW gave us only two factions to choose from versus the original four.
Right thats why they still glorfied hellscream right? Or doomhammer lol
and why they keep the system of governance that guldan set up
They built a memorial to Grom, which was fitting considering he killed Mannoroth singlehandedly.
And yeah, I don’t agree with naming a city after the orc that led the Horde all throughout the Second War–that was Thrall’s first mistake, the second one being telling Garrosh only the “good” things about his dad.
What’s interesting, however, is that the Horde campaign in The Frozen Throne isn’t called “The Founding of Orgrimmar,” it’s actually “The Founding of Durotar” (named after Durotan, Thrall’s father). I don’t remember if they even mentioned Orgrimmar by name in that game, or if it was first named in WoW, but the latter seems more likely.
They don’t have to rely on them, this quest can be completed by either side.
But your ego is more important than wanting the Horde to do good and Alliance souls be saved. That really sucks. I’ll take whatever help someone wants to do good.
Remember something to, before guldan made blackhand warchief the orcs didnt even have warchief
its like beating the fascists in ww2 and being like sure you can totally be fascist just get a nice fascist to be your leader surely nothing bad will happen then
Because, while some of us players have moved on with WCIII as the base, Blizzard, and others, seem to think that Warcraft is still in the days of WCII Tides of Darkness, and Beyond the Dark Portal.
The story would have been so much better if, since Wrath of the Lich King, the war was kept to a conflict over resources or ideological differences. Not this “one side must be evil for the sake of evil”.
Hello idiot, did you ever stop to think that going directly into the maw and helping those that would up there due to the actions of their faction might be the way the Horde does things? For crying out loud, the difference between the Horde and Alliance pandaren is that Horde ones follow more a philosophy of “decisive action is what is needed in all cases” where as the Alliance ones are more “careful thinking and planning will win the day”. Here you are saying that the Horde should have to help the alliance in the alliance way.
Here is the thing, Players might tell the deves they want war, but the war the players want would be filled with gray, neither faction coming out clean but doing what they feel they must. Players should be waking up to the idea that Blizzard can’t write a convincing hot war storyline without making one side the villains.
Hellscream: drank the demon blood first, but then also killed the demon who gave them his blood thus freeing the orcs from the blood curse.
Doomhammer: lead the orcs/horde in the second war but later freed the orcs from the internment camps alongside Thrall
The only real argument is with these 2 the Horde should point out where they faltered while honoring them for what amounted to the ultimate sacrifice (Hammerfall is the location of the camp Doomhammer died freeing the orcs from).
I think it was named as the city being built.
war isnt gray, if the alliance burns a city, that doesnt make it grey, it just makes you happy cause you are selfish and you dont care what the other players feel.
which wouldn’t be a issue if he didnt drink it
still lead a war of GENOCIDE
Yeah, it really started going downhill with Garrosh “Let’s Bomb Stuff” Hellscream.
Exactly; this is where the faction conflict was at circa-Wrath, which is why it worked.
They glorified Hellscream because he sacrificed his life to free the orcs from the demon blood curse by killing Manaroth. They glorified Doomhammer because he died setting orcs free from Lordaeron internment camps.
Why should the orcs care if the Alliance considered Hellscream or Doomhammer villains?
This is why I think Horde should never do good for the sole purpose of appeasing the Alliance. That would be fruitless. They should do good because it’s overall better for the Horde and for Azeroth as a whole.
They should care cause they caused massive shame to their honor and society lol, its like asking why would it be bad if germans named a city after hitler today
If you want that by all means, but you seem very surpised at why the villian bat is so focused on the horde, its cause they have this evil cancer you glorify
Mannoroth would still have been at large either way; he and Archimonde had already arrived on Azeroth thanks to Arthas and Kel’Thuzad.
No one is arguing that Grommash Hellscream was perfect, or even a morally-good character. But he is still a hero of the Third War for removing one of the Legion’s main commanders prior to the Battle of Mt. Hyjal.
Not to mention that Thrall’s need to help Grom is what allowed for the very first instance of Alliance-Horde cooperation in the game–he never would have saved Grom without Jaina’s help. Not to mention Medivh literally uses Grom as an example of why they need to work together against the Legion.
If they had named Ogrimmar “Blackhandia” instead you might have a gripe but with Doomhammer, not so much.
I think the orcs were too tired of being penned in cages and prison camps and treated like trash to really care about the shame of it, and were to grateful to people like Doomhammer for helping to set them free to really worry about the issue. To them, being saved and set free outweighed Doomhammer’s role in the second war.
It’s the same reason why Saurfang was so highly regarded in orc society despite his role in killing lots of people during the first and second war.