BoSs baseline would bring an end to the ability. It wouldnt be able to exist how it is with it being baseline and would end up like something like bonestorm. It happened with Void Form which you wanted to do the same thing basically. Upkeep.
Also Iām not entirely sure about your suggestion of shifting frost scythe to the sustain row, itās not a sustain talent
I also dont know why anyone wouldnt want to change Icy Talons. Its a shadow of its former self in any of the forms it existed prior to when it was changed to a stacking upkeep buff that it is now.
In wrath it was 25% for having FF on the target with improved Icy Talons.
In cata from what I can find was attack speed increase by 20%, haste increased by 10%, and 5% more haste stat from all sources. Improved Icy Talons increased attack speed of party and raid members by 10% and increased your own attack speed by another 5%.
Now its 10% less than what we had basically baseline, and it was baseline at one point, and you have to upkeep it. I would rather them just to delete Icy Talons than make a mockery of something that was a staple of a high attack speed spec.
High attack speed was for KM. KM was just procced from auto attacks, higher auto attack rate meant more KM procs which meant more Obliterate and Frost Strike crits, and guess whatā¦ absolutely no one complained about the spec until they started messing with the rune system.
Blizzard and quite a lot of people on these forums have absolutely no direction for the spec. They are trying to make it cling to the past while trying to force it in a direction that these things werent designed for in the first place.
Obliterate for example, for an ability that was and is used ALL THE TIME, its base damage is low now thanks to KM rank 2 and ever since it was put into the game there has been complaints about Obliterates base damage. Thats why I suggest another rune spender and just make Obliterate cost nothing and only usable while KM is procced.
Change Frostscythe to replace the new Rune ability for cleave. Yeah, it might be hard to balance but thats what testing is for
Frozen Pulse is also another one of those things that is attack speed reliant in a way with a spec/class that is constantly being slowed down. Why does it exist?
Hypothermic Presenceā¦ while what it does it does wellā¦ why is it there? Its not needed what so ever. Especially when its up against Remorseless Winter and Glacial Advanceā¦ why isnt it just moved to say the Runic Attenuation / Murderous Efficiency row? There is only one possible answer, Blizzard doesnt know what direction to take with Frost and couldnt think of a new talent to put in the place of Frostwyrms Fury so they made something for a space filler.
Icecap, really only synergizes with DW because of how DW mechanics work. As long as a main hand or offhand crits it counts towards Icecap CD reduction. So really DW has 2 chances per Obliterate / Frost Strike to reduce PoF CD while 2h only has 1.
So realistically, in every single row that provides some kind of dps benefit, there is one dead and useless talent.
Could always be worse though, could be Enhancement Shaman.
Hypothermic Presence just feels like a filler skill that wasnāt meant to ever be used
i dont think a ability that we have been using should be locked behind KM when it procs. I think the 2 rune ability should be the one that is locked
frost punch or it slashes twice in a X pattern like Cloudās cross slash
it was a gut punch cuz people were asking for presences
I think obliterate is good in itās current state rn. I like KM procs and itās base dmg.
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I wouldnāt be mad if they did a complete overhaul of Frost.
UH plays the death by a thousand cuts style. I think Frost should lean more into the hard-hitting spec it teases to be. Build it from the ground up with systems and talents that work well with 2h and DW that donāt favor one or the other so heavily.
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I donāt think a rework is necessary. Just a few good changes
i kinda do as well i was talking to Kel about a new 2 rune ability thats lockād behind KM and only available when it procs
id still want for oblit to do frost damage all the time
and if pof stays 12 sec then KM and Rime should be on all the time so you can play wack a mole
So you dont actually understand what im talking about.
Im not talking about a new 2 rune ability that is locked behind KM. Not what I said at all.
What im talking about and addressing is something that has been complained about ever since pre-patch of the shadowlands. Something you spend a long time early on talking about. Obliterate base damage being garbage and KM buffing Obliterate damage by a lot depending on how much Mastery you have.
You cant touch the base damage of Obliterate and not raise the ceiling as well, meaning KM procs would make Obliterate hit that much harder.
The way to fix this, which a lot of other people agreed would be a good fix, would be to add in another ability that costs 2 runesā¦ say oh I dont know, Rune Strike which is still in the game just no one has access to it. So that is your rune spender.
Obliterate would still exist and work with Killing Machine. 0 cost, always do frost damage, be a crit but you need a KM proc to use it which people want KM procs for Obliterate anyways so they have less regular weak hitting Obliterates.
Or, people can just stop complaining about something that they asked for and live with weak obliterate hits. I was seeing 600 Obliterate hits and 7k crits with KM at one point in time. Thats a big difference. With what this fix would do is be able to bring that 600 up to like 1500 and a 3k crit without touching that 7k Obliterate which was early in the expansion.
But you want it to stay as is even though you complained about it earlierā¦ makes no sense to me.
rune strike is cool i guess but i like the obliterate animation more lol. itās fine.
Alright, then I dont want to hear another person talk about Obliterates damage, not a new person talking about how piss poor Obliterates damage is outside of PoF windows in pvp, not a single person leveling talking about how bad the ability is and not again in the next expansion when its early on.
Im not looking at what is cool or animations, those can be anything, im looking at fixing an issue that probably 90% of early complaints about were about Obliterates poor damage and there are still complaints about it when people jump into pvp with frost, or level as frost, or hit 60 and talking about how bad Obliterate is.
Iām not every person though, iām just not complaining about obliterate because i donāt think itās a problem unlike lacking an entire baseline runic aoe spender. that is the real problem imo.
I dont care if you arent every person, I dont want another person to complain about it. You have to tell them that its fine and they dont know what they are talking about.
And a baseline aoe runic spender is not a problem. It hasnt been a problem since ever until SLā¦ whats so special about Shadowlands that now there has to be a completely different ability set based on if you are doing aoe or st.
Where is Bloods aoe rp spender? Where is destros aoe ember builder? Where is Demos aoe shard builder? How about Enhancement Shaman? they are in a really bad place. Where is Frosts aoe rune spender? It has no viable option baseline. HB is locked behind Rime Obliterate is ST.
So no, an aoe runic spender baseline is not a problem.
you asked about a new 2 rune ability
thats what i was talkin to you about a 2 rune spender
anyway AA and FF need to be toned down and givin back to abilities
I didnt ask about anything. You asked me about a question of what I would want to see and be happy about or something. I answered the question and you didnt understand it.
What is your issue with my suggestion?
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But also, those are other specs.
Yes they are other specs, whats your point? The same line of reasoning cant be applied to other specs? You are saying Frost needs a baseline aoe rp spenderā¦ why does it need it?
Itās aoe hurts outside of sindrag which canāt be used in obliteration or icecap. Feels like the tier set is maybe testing the water by making it closeish to baseline but it would help a lot with aoe.