The story-related correlation, as I am saying again in a different way, is not what we’re talking about. We are talking about the visual. The visual.
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Yeah, you want a visual linking to a spec and those links dont actually exist. Blue eyes arent because of frost magic, Frostmount isnt frost just because it has frost in the name, his location also has nothing to do with the actual spec and you can create that visual in both Blood and Unholy which was the entire point.
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Of Course Gorefiend was the very first Death Knight, he was primarily a necromancer.
The Lich King in general abilities similar to Gorefiend, perhaps even inspired by it, but primary utilize the cold winds within his area.
Death Knights self-healing spec in general was just a gameplay mechanic.
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there is the dude in the lich king raid who tank the valkyr for us, Crok i guess
Saurfang the younger can also be tagged as blood DK
established by who? you?
oh hey, you again being antagonist in every thread related to 2H and frost, trying to dismiss everything related, but you sure are not against it right.
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In that case, Saurfang is there for blood…
Visually represents*
I am not making any mechanical correlations with my statements, as I have said multiple times now. It is purely a visual correlation that I am implying, which was an extension of what I deduced Dekoron was talking about.
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With Shadowlands coming up and how easily Sylvanas beat Bolvar, I really hope he can cull her with Frostmourne in a raid battle against her. And that scene better be a cinematic that plays after the players get her health to zero as well. I would be VERY happy if that happens.
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I actually hope we see some “Blood” lore and love - with the Shadowlands and the obvious vampire themes of Revendreth I hope to see more Blood/Suffering/Visceral theme lore. I mean the covenant screams “Blood Death knight”.
Just as in theory Maldraxxus screams “Unholy Death Knight”
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I don’t think any covenants sound like “Frost Death Knight” sadly enough. But on the other hand, one of them seems like a Paladin-type covenant, I think Retribution and Protection both most of all. Wish Frost DKs got some more love though, and got both 2h back, and a Frostmourne tmog to make up for Legion too.
Except the reason Bolvar lost to Banshee is because he was in Unholy spec, popped Army of the Dead, and then swapped specs to frost. He didnt have any one handed weapons so he couldnt use any of his abilities that requires two one handed weapons.
And really? Are you that clueless? Arthas was an Unholy DK with his remaining talents into frost. Not the other way around.
I also like to think that Im the one who ruined frost, because back in Cata I had been playing frost with two one handed weapons before swapping back to Unholy in MoP and never looking back.
Lore characters don’t have a spec, and DW was the better performing spec aside from once? Maybe twice?
Here you go again… Ill say this and Ill say it once.
The crowd of people that oppose not being able to use two handed weapons for frost often bring up the fact that “Arthas was a frost DK” or “Frostmourne was a two handed weapon”. That was the argument I was countering because it is false. So if you wanna argue about lore characters and specs, start with that crowd.
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What does that have to do with saying lore characters don’t have specs? It applies to both you and them.
You were talking like lore characters have a spec, which they don’t. Don’t try to change what you said after the fact.
Oh, and it’s not the people who oppose 2h that bring up Frostmourne was 2h or Arthas was a frost dk, it’s the people for its return. And I don’t know how many times it has to be said, but many people aren’t opposed to 2h. Pointing out it would solve nothing is not an opposition, it’s just stating a fact.
Please try to keep up, I never said that these people are opposing 2h frost, I said they are opposing not being able to 2h frost. I personally like the flurry of frost and steel appeal of frost dual wielding, but I dont play frost so my opinion doesnt matter on that point.
And I would argue that lore characters do in fact have specs, just not all of them. Jaina, is most certainly a frost mage for example. She has been primarily a frost mage since warcraft 3. But just like players, that doesnt stop her from using the occasional arcane or fire spell to suit her needs. Tirion is a ret paladin as another example. Garrosh is an arms warrior while Varion is a fury warrior. Gul’Dan is a destruction warlock.
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That’s some very poor wording. Why not just say people who are for 2h?
And those spec designations aren’t exactly correct since like gul’dan summoned an army of demons. Jaina used a multitude of magic. Varians weapon was either a 2h or DW depending on what he wanted.
These people are warriors, or mages, or warlocks or paladins.
This whole thread just wow… the amount of epeen fights and cringe DK representation here is so sad. You’re all making DK sound / look even worst by arguing over dumb stuff, making up lore / info and claming you know better than the other.
Lock thread plz.
“Can Blizz stop insulting frost DKs thru lore?”
The only and one answer, No, because they aren’t. The end.
Warlocks can summon demons yes, and Gul’dan didnt summon an army of demons, he opened a gate and let the army through.
I already explained how Jaina uses magic of all aspects but focuses on frost.
And in case you werent aware, fury warriors used to be able to dual wield or use a single weapon.
The word “spec” is just short for specialization. Back before MoP, your spec was just that, something you specialized in. It wasnt the only thing you could do though. People love the way MoP was because we had a bunch of buttons to press, but MoP was what first started killing class fantasy by restricting players to a single spec’s worth of spells. When I refer to a character being of a spec, I am referring to their mastery over one aspect of their class over any others.
Because on a technical level, none of the lore characters even have a “class”, let alone a spec. Characters are able to change their combat styles as they see fit and with proper training and knowledge.
Illidan for example was originally a mage, but not a mage like we know them. He used magic of a shadow variety, but wasnt a priest either. He focused on using magic up until he killed a demon named Azzinoth and took his warglaives and trained himself to use them in battle.
Arthas was originally a paladin, but he was trained by Magni Bronzebeard to fight more like a warrior than most paladins. Kel’Thuzad was a mage as well before studying up on necromantic arts. Anduin was a priest before being trained to fight more like a paladin, but he is still primarily a priest.
If you are going to argue that specs dont exist, you clearly dont know what specs are or the history of such. Especially if you are going to say specs dont exist but classes do. They are one and the same as far as lore characters go.
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Just that man… man, they dont exist with lore…
Guys stop, you’re all making yourself look worst by each replies.
Most key lore characters aren’t confined to a single spec. With only a few exceptions like Saurfang junior or Garona (maybe).
Just stop getting hard over lore characters you think will represent your “spec”. Lol.
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You all fail to see the point I was making, but I suppose that makes sense since I was referencing other frost dk complaint threads.
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