Because I just don’t understand the mindset. It just doesn’t make sense to me. The reasoning doesn’t feel sound in my eyes. Nothing against you, nothing against how you feel. I’m sure it seems right to you. It just doesn’t to me. Not everyone agrees on things. That doesn’t mean I consider your opinion invalid. Just isn’t something I can see. shrug
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You can say that about literally anything Blizzard does. By this logic we shouldn’t be allowed to complain about anything, ever.
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Because you are complaining about a title when the game tells you other wise, this is just paranoia.
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But the mindset was clearly explained. There is nothing complicated to understand here, and you haven’t explained in any way why the reasoning isn’t sound. You are not making sense. You seem to be crossing the line between simply not feeling the same way and choosing not to relate or understand the opinions of others.
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She’s going to live in Menethil Palace and do things like wave and collect molten corgis. People will flock to watch the changing of the Deathguard.
I said it wasn’t sound to me. And nothing I say or do is going to make my reasoning change anything about yours. You have your views I have mine. Neither is wrong. Neither is bad. They just are.
But if you really wish to understand how I see Calia it’s simple. The character has existed since before WoW was a thing. She has a long established connection to the people of Lorderon. She has led a very complicated and at times troubled life. Living in fear of persecution for her brother’s actions. It was established that she worked behind the scenes to try and help her people from afar, After her death and ressurection she is trying to find a place among the Forsaken. You call Calia’s condition a ‘Nicer’ version of her people’s condition. She’s still dead. Was Nathanos ‘nicer’ than other Forsaken? Sylvanas? They are dead, the methodology is different. But the end result is the same. Calia isn’t the sole ‘leader’ of the Forsaken either. She is a member on a council. One voice among many.
You called her a mirror to Tess but Tess’ circumstances are different. It’s not that Tess is ‘leading a cursed people.’ It was that Tess had to see that the curse wasn’t all that her people were. That there were still non Worgen Gilneans, that the curse of Goldrinn wouldn’t make her a good leader.
Tess needed to see beyond her people’s curse. Calia is trying to fit in with a people she’s long since been away from. These situations aren’t the same. The characters aren’t the same. There are some story beats that seem similar on a surface level. But that’s only if you look at surface leve.
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I understand why you feel the way you do. I do not understand how you “cant wrap your head around” those with opposing views. I’m not assuming your motives, here, but it feels like you’re displaying wilful ignorance to downplay the significance of people’s complaints.
Allow me to further simplify it for you:
I honestly think this reasoning is childishly simple. Anyone can understand why a large portion of the fanbase hates these characters. You are not stupid.
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Sighs Okay, I’m not going to beat my head against a brick wall. You have a wonderful day.
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The irony here is palpable.
I understand your position, and I respect it.
You are the brick wall that refuses to understand ours.
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Except the literal theme of the Worgen storyline has been “we are not defined by our curse” since the starting zone - which was further elaborated by the heritage quest when Tess realized she didnt have to become a Worgen to fit her people better, because the curse doesnt define them.
The point made is dumb.
I have read your position. I see it. I don’t agree with it. Simple as that. I in no way think it is invalid. You are the one who seems to want to change something about how I view things. I’m going to put you on ignore now. Since you can’t seem to drop the subject.
And that’s a fine position to have.
But clearly a ton of people disagree with the way they’re executing this theme.
I am not saying you are wrong. I’m saying the opposing view is very easy to understand.
If you can’t understand why people who play as ZOMBIES and WEREWOLVES want a ZOMBIE OR WEREWOLF leader, then you’re just being intentionally ignorant and I have no respect for that position.
If you just have different priorities and tastes, or if this simply doesn’t bother you as much as it does others, then that’s a perfectly fine position to have.
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You said you can’t understand it or wrap your head around it.
I simply responded by explaining it to you.
Sorry it upset you.
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Then they dont pay attention to the literal lore of the game.
I do like how you say “zombies” - and not “undead humans” - because you immediately show your hand, because Sylvanas would be an immediate counterargument.
Forsaken are undead humans led by an undead elf for a majority of their lives. By that logic, Calia is literally a more fitting leader than Sylvanas was to led the undead human contingent from Lordaeron.
Did you think you made a point, here?
My point is that people want a leader that reflects the race they chose.
Yes, playable undead are former humans…so? We had an entire game explaining how Sylvanas came to lead the Forsaken. They justified it through basic, decent storytelling. The race is called “undead”. It doesn’t mean there can’t be an undead leader who is from another race. This isn’t a race called “Lordaeronian humans”.
Now, we have a human. So why are people still pissed? Clearly, the human bit isn’t what most Forsaken players resonated with the most. It’s the state of being an undead monster, whether on the outside or the inside.
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And we have had explanations of why the worgen arent defined by their curse. So by your own logic, as long as the LORE is in place - it works.
Thanks.
Sure, but we’re not arguing about what makes sense in the lore. We’re arguing about why people dislike a series of writing choices. Lots of things could make sense within the lore but would still be bad writing ideas. You’ve proven absolutely nothing with that statement.
Don’t bother responding. I won’t read it. This bores me. You are incapable of making sensical arguments and you’re arguing against things I’m not even saying. So this conversation is worthless.
I accept your opinion, but I find your inability to understand our opinion baffling.
I don’t need to convince you. Clearly plenty of people already agree with me. Your wilful ignorance is meaningless.
Because, the point is there are LORE reasons behind why themes exist for a race. Its why Sylvanas was a leader of undead humans (which the Forsaken are represented by as a playable race), why Tess is a leader of the worgens (as she is the leader of the Gilnean kingdom), why Jaina is the leader of the Kul’Tiran humans, why Moira Bronzebeard is the leader of the Dark Irons.
It doesnt matter as long the lore fits based upon what we have been given over the decade. We have had MULTIPLE leaders rule over playable factions that dont fit in with the playable aspect.
Why dont you add three more edits about how you totally dont care, and how everyone agrees with you.
It surely resounds with confidence lol.
Correction it “exists” just like the Horde Council “exists” lol Blizzard know that if they openly made Baine Warchief and Calia “The Pale Lady” Queen of Lordaeron people would be furious beyond measure it’s all just a thinly laid veil.
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