They like Terenas, but as a thing of the past. Glorious past forever ruined by Arthas. If anything the alliance seems to like Terenas more than the Forsaken. You don’t hear the Forsaken singing his praises like blood elves do with Anasterian.
I would put put the Moira situation equivalent to putting a Scarlet Crusade member as the leader of the Forsaken or Magatha as the new leader of the Tauren
The dark Irons were THE antagonist to the Bronzebeards since launch, despite Blizzard trying to shoehorn them in
Genn is old and tired, he’s the only WC2 leader left alive, what’s the problem with this? He’s probably been planning on abdicating as soon as Gilneas is in Gilnean hands for a while now.
People didn’t like Moira when she first came back, but the Dark Irons are alliance now so that sort of went away with the hostility against the dark irons. Calia is actively pro-alliance in everything she does, but the factions aren’t going to become one anytime soon.
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How would you put that as the same?
For one thing, the Dark Iron has been allies of the Bronzebeards since before the WoW timeline and not all of the Dark Iron followed Dagran.
And Moira is a Bronzebeard. She’s the only child Magni had and she, unlike Calia, was the rightful heir to the throne. She had a legit claim.
The taurens don’t have a king and the Scarlet Crusade is an organization, not a kingdom, so I really don’t get your comparison at all.
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Calia is a Menethil just like Moira is a bronzebeard
Calia’s didnt run off and hide with an enemy who used to be a friend, she hid with her people, not the people trying to kill her people
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That’s a really interesting way to describe kidnapping.
Well, I guess she might have been for it afterwards so I’ll just go with kidnapping.
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Kidnapping is really weird way to describe running off with your enemy, marrying them and having their kid while now claiming them as your people
Good. She is a Menethil, which makes Lorderon rightfully her Kingdom. There is no reason to NOT give her the title of Queen, because that is what she is.
She also doesn’t seem to be giving up the Forsaken Council, so it’s not like her Queendom is just going full force to the Forsaken.
But lets be honest, we all knew this was the main reason Calia was the Lightbound Forsaken. This was always the end goal. That or a Power Struggle between her and Sylvanas.
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Oh no not a Scarlet Apologist.
But she was kidnapped. Are you denying that?
She ended up falling in love with her capture, which is a common enough thing that there’s an actual name for it.
Are you also denying that Magni never disinherited her, like the way Calia’s father did?
Because both facts are true. She was kidnapped and Moira was never removed from the Bronzebeard line by her father.
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She ran off with a commoner which is often viewed a big no no. She vacated the seat.
We saw this happen with Edward VIII in Britain in 1936. And we saw this very recently with Princess Mako of Japan. She had to abdicate the throne when she married a commoner. When you abdicate, you give up your right to rule.
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Yeah I don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to see why we don’t want her as a leader. Heck, we don’t even want her on the council or whatever all that is. She can be part of the “UN” version of whatever we build together betweeen Ally and Horde but why the fudge is she on the Horde? None of the main Alliance characters should be denying her.
Unless of course the writers make it that way… And we all know writers are perfect and never make mistakes. SL and DF weren’t prime examples of that at all.
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My only issue with this, is that they REFUSE to let her be a Worgen. It feels DEEPLY wrong for a playable faction’s main leader to not even be what they are.
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Well she is the only surviving Menthil isn’t she?
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JHC someone finally gets it.
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View her like the current British Monarchy.
They’re technically royalty, but they can’t really elicit change on a national level.
No it doesn’t cause the Kingdom that her line ruled is fallen and even if it wasn’t her Father the king stripped her of the title of royalty.
A lot of reasons actually like she has no right to show up and claim a Kingdom that was founded by Sylvanas and the Forsaken in the ruins of Lordaeron is hers to rule.
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She was the Princess of Lorderon. How can you be a Forsaken, who was a citizen of Lorderon, and not want your people’s Royal Line to come back? Espeacially when she is an undead as well now.
The only difference is she is pretty because of the magic that raised her. She’ll also help serve as a good foil for the Light v Void conflict stuff they’re building up to.
The only ties she has to the Alliance at present, are through Derek Proudmore, who is a traditional Forsaken, but he looks poised to become Calia’s husband.
Unless you believe the plot threads they keep pushing out that Calia’s kids are alive and well and somewhere.
So the Forsaken have no claim to Lorderon? It should go to humans, because that kingdom had fallen, so thier birthrite to keep thier lands no longer applies based on that statement?
If the Forsaken have rights to the land, then Calia has the ultimate right to the land through birth. Period. Either the dead have no claims…or they retain what was theirs, and Lorderon is Calia’s by rite of birth.
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People need to remember that our real life customers are not automatically applied in game. if they were, god the line at the war crime tribunal would wrap around the world and most of us wouldn’t be called “hero”, we would be called wanted mass murders.
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No she wasn’t. Her title was stripped when she married a commoner and had a child with them.
Her mother, the queen, said they would give her child a title once Arthas had a male child but that never came to be once Arthas killed everyone.
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