Vulpera are trash. Lets replace them with Mogu. Those would be a great boon in the next war against the alliance.
So, in terms of discussing what magicks can do what, this is actually something that fits in with the lore. D&D’s eight schools of magic are present in WoW (though they’re called of the Arcane). Technically speaking, all magical types can be seen as using the schools in some way, categorizing their spells handily, but some of the magical types are better at it than others.
For example, we’ve actually seen Life magic being used as Necromancy as far back as when the older novels were written, when Krasus used Life magic to raise a dead goblin and lead them to Deathwing’s lair. We also see the use of Shamanism to essentially reconstruct someone’s body and bring them back from the dead in Borean Tundra. We see the Void raising the dead in Shadowmoon too.
Prior to Blizzard making their weird Pokemon-esque cosmology, there was a lot more overlap in magical uses. This seems to be them trying to swing back to that, which to be honest I prefer, because it adds complexity by way of method and ritual as opposed to organizing something as varied as magic into neat little boxes.
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Idk seems like a nitpick.
Yeah it was weird the Vulpera rolled up, delrgated some chores to an adventurer then got a seat at the Monster Mash Security Council.
But most of the ARs were pretty tacked on. Orgrimmar apparently has zero trouble whatsoever just absorbing the Mag’Har population. Who literally just stepped out of a portal one day.
We’ve seen the Council of Six do this. It wasn’t time consuming.
Just like Jaina had full autocratic control of Dalaran when she ordered the Purge.
It goes to the style of storytelling and whether having a council instead of a single leader actually changes anything in practical terms.
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I don’t really think it will.
The logistics of getting every Vactor in the booth to record lines for every character anytime a command decision has to be made would be both very expensive and difficult.
So presumably whoevers there at the time is acting Grand Puba and we are to intuit some conversation either happened or will happen off screen.
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Gul’dan had to steal the head of his scepter from the Shadowlands (Maldraxxus) to be able to use/teach the Shadow Council Warlocks necromancy.
Thier handwaving explianation, “Necromancy is necromancy” doesn’t make sense when Gul’dan didn’t use Fel, he used Death magic to create Death Knights. The Shadowmoon orcs used Death magic through a fallen Naaru.
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Do you think that is a good thing?
Do you think that is a good thing if the de facto voice of the council is Calia Menethil?
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I think it’s a thing which is more than I can say of this;
Because that isn’t a thing.
The Desolate Council I obviously am in favor of. I repeatedly and expressly asked for a new one.
That could work well because they can use different Governors for different stories. Calia I’d use as an ambassador for Alliance players.
If we make them take quests from Faranel or Belmont they’ll be crying about it for a decade. So let us work with the fun Forsaken war criminals and let inoffensive ole Calia hand them out to the Blue side.
This would allow the Forsaken to actually be involved in the plot of a main story without having to tone them down for pearl clutchers.
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To be fair in Rogue Legionfall Campaign the Legion was using Fel to raise undead that couldn’t be detected as undead.
And there was Madrigosa raised to Felmyst by Brutallus’ blood.
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She’s hardly the defacto voice of the Desolate Council if Lillian had to interject Belmont for Calia to have a voice at all.
Because that’s what happened. Voss and Belmont are the defacto leaders of the Forsaken.
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I’ll just say that I love my dark ranger mog for my worgen. Now to justify some wacky rp on why he was on the other side until now.
But otherwise, Voss and Belmont seem to be running things officially anyway
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Since her introduction people were 100% convinced Calia was going to turn the Forsaken into a bunch of lightbright boyscouts.
And now she’s finally here and the story really, really, really went out of it’s way to demonstrate that’s not the plan. To the point of putting outright villainous Forsaken on the council, one of which seemed actively dissapointed she wasn’t melted by diving into the Blight fog.
And people’s reaction is “Oh yeah?! Well I bet it secretly still is the plan!”.
It’s not like Blizz ever put out some press release saying this was what they intended to do. People just decided it was to the point of not accepting evidence to the contrary even as it’s currently in game.
Calia is still a weird character and my gripes about her haven’t gone anywhere. And yeah I’m still a bit worried she might eventually wind up as the only Forsaken character we wind up interacting with. Not because of malicious intent but because of laziness.
But until that happens I am genuinely hopeful. Sylvanas’s biggest problem even before they completely ruined her was she came off as schizophrenic. In Silverpine she’s a good leader who’s not afraid to lead the charge and seems genuinely concerned about the Forsaken and saddened by their sacrifice.
Then in WPL she’s playing some bizare Undercover Boss scheme, I presume for her own amusement. Then she “You have failed me for the last time!” Darth Vaders Koltria Deathweaver. Who absolutely made mistakes but I’m still baffled why she decided to play this weird mind game with this random DK.
She sign waived between caring Matron of the damned, harsh but fair military general and weird cackling lunatic. I mentioned before she’d only make complete sense if it was revealed there were 3 to 5 Sylvani.
Well now there are 5 Forsaken leaders. So they can have every aspect of the faction represented with a specific character. Rather thah making one carry it all and come off as a trainwreck because of it.
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I think the point is, can they screw things up going forward with the Desolate Council? Definitely. Maybe even a high probability they will. Does it mean they WILL screw things up? No, we don’t know that.
I also don’t know if Derek is Jaina’s sleeper agent, or is genuinely willing to feast on the raw flesh of his sister’s country men in defense of the Forsaken. Thought I’m interested in finding out.
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I’m glad you also noticed that Blizzard literally shot down every single Alliance Lordaeron fandboy with this quest. They also acknowledged that the Forsaken had it way harder than the Night Elves these last four years. This quest felt like a sign of good faith that the writers have not forgotten the forsaken, and they are still listening to Forsaken players.
Hell, they may even be reading our forum debates. I’m glad I played through the quest and not judged it on the surface level through Wowhead. I am interested to see where they go in Dragonflight.
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It kinda felt like that. The conversations about Calia felt like conversations I’ve had here.
I don’t get the complaints. In order to get the title “Of Lordaeron”, they made Lodebros dress up like an undead, help the Forsaken take back Lordaeron and then had Calia say to their face that it belongs to the Forsaken now and forever.
Magnificent. Absolutely magnificent.
Plus and minor detail but they used that excellent Forsaken Flame music from Darkshore again.
Now maybe that was just economic recycling but it always bummed me out that this excellent soundtrack that really captures the vibe of the Forsaken was used for a dumb gameplay mode nobody liked where they were Stupid Evil bad guys who were clearly going to lose.
Hearing it as the Forsaken marched triumphantly back into Lordaeron was chef’s kiss.
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This part was the best and just made the whole quest line totally worth it.
(I think Aihn even raged quit over it)
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I really cant imagine a better mark of quality.
A Forsaken quest so good it makes their haters rage quit the game sounds like some hopium high idea that I would’ve never believed possible.
But it’s real. We all saw it.
…and mfers still find reasons to complain
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I don’t know. They started the expansion out with an animated short for Uther that heavily implied we were finally going to see Arthas again.
Then brought him back in the final tier as a blue anima fart just long enough for Sylvanas to lecture him about why he shouldn’t exist before dissipating.
Honestly feels like the result of some kind of drunken bet in the writers room about who could come up with the biggest insult to the franchise’s history. Are we sure they don’t kind of enjoy antagonizing their player base?
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Well some of the writers absolutely were drunk as it turns out. But thankfully they’ve been dealt with.
But no. I really don’t think there was a meeting with shareholders at Activision HQ where they declared their intent to completely alienate their entite fan base because maybe reverse psychology would earn more profits in Q3.
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You know, I do think it was the plan. They went to too much trouble making it about the Light. But it was the old plan which they seem to be explicitly abandoned in the current question with the “undead are undead” scene with the Margrave. Even though it doesn’t fit that well with their cosmology charge.
After all, this expansion seems to be about revamping where they are going.