That’s not accurate to the new Forsaken questline but you do you red Ethriel.
I thought she was a Dreadlord and I’m able to admit I was wrong.
(although I still find it suspicious that they had Marelith say that the creator of the plauge was a sadist, right in front of Calia, because if she was Balnazzar that would be a direct insult, or compliment, because he commissioned this plauge. But I digress, it was a neat little lore hint thrown in there.)
Literally her first order as Forsaken leader is to pull their forces out of Gilneas. She is only joined because she wants to sabotage the Horde’s war efforts. I demasked her. She works for the alliance. For that crime she deserves death.
I don’t think she is literally spying for the Alliance in game lore. But she’s an Alliance-aligned, Alliance-aesthetic character shoved into the Horde, which is basically the same thing from a meta POV.
In the new quest chain she specially says she is not aligned with the Alliance though. Read her conversation text.
She is Forsaken. She is Horde.
She does not see herself as the heir to Lordaeron, She does not accept that the Alliance see her as the last of the Menethil Dynasty, or would rally behind her. She (Blizzard) nips that conversation in the bud. She’s an undead, she is Forsaken, she is a member of the Horde.
No she is not. She is alliance through and through. Just like the whole of the Horde council. And as such she needs to die. No sensible forsaken player with some faction pride left will ever accept her. Bring her back to the alliance where she belongs. Stop forcing her on the Horde you filthy traitor.
We will just have to agree to disagree here, Erevien. She proved her worth as a Forsaken in this quest. I who, previously, disliked her, like her now. That’s how powerful that Questchain was.
I disliked how Afrasabi’s team set up Calia as competition to Sylvanas. I hated women being pitted against eachother for conflict sake. This new team hard rejected that. This quest was a course correction. Calia is not Sylvanas’ rival. The new desolate council is female lead 3/2 it’s a good balance. The Forsaken haven’t changed much.
She is nothing. Just another alliance sympathizer. She will lead the Horde to ruin just as Baine and Thrall do. Eternal war with the alliance is what I want. And I will get it. Even if I have to go to Irvine myself and force Ion to do so. The Alliance will fall. And all their spies who currently run the Horde into the ground will follow.
This is really Calia’s debut. Technically she’s been around since Legion but you could completely cut her role in BFA, Shadow’s Rising and SL without effecting the plot. I’m 100% positive this questline was the first time a lot of players even realized she was standing in Oribos. Beyond this the most influential thing she did was die.
And as debuts go this was certainly satisfactory. She seems to genuinely care about the Forsaken while at the same time appreciating she’s an outsider with a hell of a lot to prove who isn’t interested in telling the Forsaken how to ‘live’.
Giving the Forsaken a token pretty face to act as an ambassador is a perfectly decent idea. My one worry is she’ll become essentially the Bright Lady. But the entire storyline bent over backwards to say they weren’t doing that. So, I’m not seeing a reason to worry.
This is the first story they’ve told now that they’ve lost the Burning of Teldrassil baggage and it was actually good. I’m still skeptical but there’s a difference between skepticism and pessimism.
The story outright had stuff I’d explicitly asked for. A new Desolate Council with Voss and representatives from the Deathguard and RAS. Merelith fist bumped the Forsaken and called them cool but in a way that doesn’t mean people can just waltz out of the afterlife. It flips off Lordebros. All good stuff.
This is the best Forsaken content we’ve got since at least Cata. I’m really not comprehending how people are dissapointed.
My main worry is they’re just going to leave Tirisfal like this and not give it a proper update for until after Dragonflight if not later. Thats my main concern. Calia is not on the radar because as of right now she’s not concerning. Yeah it’s a strangd character and I’ve no idea what the original plan for her was. But ish they spent the money on the model so they’re gonna use her. And this was a pretty solid use.
I Cataclysm Sylvanas waged war on our enemies and defeated them. In Shadowlands Calia makes peace with them and gives them land that belong to us. Calia is a traitor that much is obvious.
That’s less important than the fact that she still has close friendly ties with Alliance leaders.
It isn’t, though. BtS was, and we’re permanently stuck with everything that was in BtS.
Yes especially Anduin and Jaina.
Just Jaina.
But that relationship may become strained in the future. If she’s forced to chose the Horde over Jaina.
Good conflict for Derek. See if his allegiences are faction over family.
And Anduin. Let’s not kid ourselves, he’s coming back.
First, that is a very big IF. And second, I wouldn’t be so sure she’d choose the Horde. See also: Bloodhoof, Baine.
I’ll say what I said before: I do not want a Proudmoore in the Horde, especially not in anything resembling a position of leadership.
Baine chose his friendship with Jaina over the Horde. That is why he brought back Derek to her. He is a two faced traitor who should have died all the way back in Cataclysm. For any true Horde patriot his mere existence is a red flag.
Erevien. Please take a seat.
It doesn’t show up alliance side either.
Not until I get what I want. And that is the total defeat of the alliance.
I hope it was scrapped because it’s such a bad idea.
but why tho
I’m annoyed by how Sindane responded, even if I’m not too bothered in general.
Shadowlands forces consider the light to be weak, a joke, nothing. The vampires defeated an army of Naaru just on their own, no Maldraxxus required. They kept one Naaru alive as an amusement and curbstomped the rest into permanent death.
Sindane should’ve responded, “Well you’re weaker in general because you’re animated with the light, but undead is still undead.”
Yeah. The character then admited she really didn’t understand the Forsaken and has no god damn business telling them what to do.
Have you actually played the questline? Calia is not there to save the Forsaken. She’s there to impress them. They do not come to her. She comes to them just wanting to help, which she does. So the Forsaken very unenthusastically say “Yeah I guess it’s fine if you wanna loiter in the lobby”.
Belmont really isnt having any of it. Faranel is indifferent so long as she doesn’t muck with his mad science labratories. Velanora is similarly meh and more worried about her unnelves. Even Voss doesn’t seem to completely trust her but the Forsaken really aren’t in a position to turn down an ally and she’s basically a freak of nature to them but she is technically undead so, wouldn’t be right to turn her away.
I certainly didn’t come away thinking Calia was the new Forsaken leader. More just a new resident and the leadership’s position on her ranges from “Meh” to “Speak when spoken to and even then very quietly, Menethil scum”.
So yeah. No real complaints there.