Because that’s what the Alliance does. Can’t have moral superiority if your hands are all bloody.
Alliance exist to bend over and take the spanking.
That’s not how moral superiority works, but I digress
I think we are sick of Pure Evil and Moral absolutism
Surely we can do better.
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I know he wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but I miss Nathanos. Derek is a really weird ‘replacement’ because he’s the exact opposite of Nate. Just stuck in his BfA quote/model in this permanent state of horror at his situation. It’s been at least a year or more, get it together man!
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Derek needs to die.
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For the Dark Lady, Always.
It still boggles my mind that because Golden couldn’t have Jaila/Arthas she quite literally hamfisted Calia/Derek into this story and replaced Sylvanas and Nathanos with them. It’s going to be a long dry spell until Sylvanas and Nathanos come back.
I personally felt zero chemisty between Calia and Derek. Do they actually have shippers out there?
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Tattersail would have words with you.
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I think the idea is more “what fuels magic” and “what concepts in the cosmos must be understood and connected with to perform magic.”
So I don’t hate that light can perform necromantic rituals.
I guess ardenweald is what it looks like when death is used to create rebirth magic. That’s sort of cool to me.
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He doesn’t appear to be a replacement though. He doesn’t even get a line of dialogue. People suggesting he’s now some hugely important Forsaken character are mad at their own head canon.
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Maybe I’m just mad WoWhead suggested his new title was “Champion of the Pallid Queen” and it looked like they were replacing Nathanos with Derek.
Regardless, having Calia and Derek with titles that copy Sylvanas and Nathanos is cringe and lame.
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Thanks, I hate it. And I don’t even play Forsaken.
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That doesn’t appear to have happened though.
I was pretty happy with how they used Calia. They could screw it up down the line but as introductions go that was pretty good.
My worry is they’ll make Calia the de facto leader of the Forsaken. Which would be bad. But I do think it’s good to have her on hand as a cross faction character. She has zero baggage.
If in say Dragonflight there’s a plot beat about RAS fighting plagued dragons I’d have the Horde work with Faranel and the Alliance get the low down from Calia.
That way you wouldnt have to tone Faranel down and the Blue hard liners won’t cry for a decade about how they had to work with a war criminal and how this is somehow an endorsement of Adolf Hitler.
I’m pretty sure only the Alliance call her the Palid Lady. The Forsaken call her Menethil and say Menethil with the same tone I’d use to pronounce “inoperable bowl cancer”.
They never start to trust her but do offer her some begrudging respect when she charges into Blight fog to get a pure strain sample from the heart of it. And yeah that was pretty badass. I’m happy to see a Priest do cool stuff with Priest spells instead of hitting stuff with a sword.
She’s more tolerated than welcomed. Derek is not refered to as the Palid Lady’s champion. Nor is he refered to at all. He’s hanging out in the Brill graveyard with Stone and Voss explains to them what’s been going down with the Forsaken because both of them are new. He has a bit of optional dialogue and I can’t even remember what it was because it really wasnt that important.
People are mad at some hypothetical version of this quest that doesn’t exist.
The only salient complaint I’ve is it’s a bit lame that Light necromancy is heckin valid according to the Margrave. But honestly we’ve seen Fel and Shadow magic raise the dead and it’s not like WoW has ever had a hard magic system. The rules are so soft you could spread them on toast so this just isnt that big of a deal imo.
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And what does that say about the state of Horde leadership if the enemy has a poetic, not-entirely-negative-sounding nickname for her? Ugh ugh ugh.
Look, you actually play Forsaken, so I’m glad that you’re happy. But this sounds appalling to me.
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I’m hoping this waa just daramining that may be scrapped it doesn’t appear in game from the Horde PoV… yet. As Ben pointed out.
Not sure if that’s what the Alliance sees.
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Pretty much nothing at time of writing but I’m sure people will dream up some pretty negative hypothetical conclusions.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here. They actually did a good story beat. The questline furthers the Forsaken’s story by building on what already existed. It puts characters like Belmont and Faranel in leadership positions which shows me they’re not interested in some kinder, gentler Forsaken.
They put the kibosh on any argument the Forsaken arent the rightful rulers of Lordaeron. They gave us playable Dark Rangers. We got to fight a giant goo monster with a bat airforce.
They did a good job. People are really grasping at straws here.
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This just isn’t rocket science.
What I suspect they’re doing here is trying to get the faction’s to where they were in Vanilla. Where the faction war is a Cold War with flashpoints.
This is a good idea. Faction war as the main narrative is inherently inflammatory and dissapointing. All it does is piss people off. Because the plot is going to force you to lose, but at the same time you can never actually win either, as the nature of the game means it must return to the status quo.
To that end giving the Forsaken an Edward Cullen, some sparkly bastard that’s about as scary as a labrador retriever puppy, to use as basically a diplomacy unit is a good idea. Everyone pay attention to Barbie The White, pay no attention to the suspiciously squirming bag Faranel is dragging behind her.
I’m still skeptical. One good move after years of terrible ones does not completely restore confidence. And it would be a bad thing if Calia becomes the de facto leader of the Forsaken and is the only character we ever interact with.
But they used her in her first real debut as a character pretty damn well. So until they give me reason to actually worry I’m not going to.
Considering the Alliance have almost the identical quest and are merely undercover for it I don’t believe this is the case.
Frankly this would’ve been a great quest if it was Red exclusive. But I am positively sipping schadenfreude from an ornate wine glass at the idea that the Lux Vult MHP crowd had to actively help the Forsaken reclaim Lordaeron to get the “Of Lordaeron” title.
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This is what did it for me too. Especially with Calia’s conversation text where she shuts them down explicitly.
Almost to put our forum debates to bed. She said to the Alliance, I’m not your queen, don’t get your hopes up.
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Calia is an alliance spy. She needs to die.
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I often disagree with you, Erevien, but on this point, I’m totally on your side.
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