The difference between Baine and Anduin is guidance. Baine never had any, Anduin had too much of it.
Anduin did not lead anyone to victory. He was manipulated into fighting someone else’s fight, and we saw how well that turned out.
The Alliance won the fourth war. Just look on the map and see what massive land gains the blue team had. And Anduin was the leader. Meanwhile all Baine has to show is failure on every account.
The Horde was about victory. It was founded as an army to defeat their enemies. People like Baine have no place in it since he is a pathetic peace monger who doesn’t care how many of his people get killed for as long as he can keep his friendhips with Anduin and Jaina and nothing else matters to him.
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It is those friendships that allowed Baine the capacity to reach out and get aid for the Horde to throw down Sylvanas and interrupt the Jailer’s plans, and eventually save the literal universe. Also, no, the Horde is not an army to be waded into battle, that Horde died in WC2. Be thankful for that, for if it didn’t, you can rest assured its leadership would see Blood Elves ground into bone paths the same as the Draenei were.
That is the Horde that has the most fans. And seriously? Making peace with the people that want to kill you is weakness. I hope Blizzard gives us a chance to kill the weak elements of our faction so we can actually have faciton pride against the Alliance again instead of being told by Thrall and Baine to stop hurting his friends.
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I’m pretty sure people vastly prefer the WC3 Horde, which then transitioned into the WoW Horde of today. Also, that’s villain talk, and you know what happens to villains in this game. That said, if it gets Tauren and Vulpera off the Horde and into the Alliance because the Horde went crazy for the third time, then so be it. I think even the Orcs would decide ‘no, the Horde doesn’t need to exist anymore’ at that point.
Killing your enemies is always right. Peace that only benefits the blue team is not peace but submission.
And on the topic. Cairne all day long. He was not a weakling like his useless son.
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The Alliance of today is not the enemy of the Horde of today. Not only that, but the peace benefits both sides, especially after the disasters that were the events of BFA and SL.
There are enemies out there, and those enemies are worth killing. However, they’re not wearing blue and gold lions, and at this point I’m getting real tired of being told they are. Last I checked, team blue hasn’t tried to unmake reality yet.
Cairne only fought Garrosh openly because he thought Garrosh would fight fair. Baine learned from Cairne that honor is just a shiny word when it comes to those who threaten you.
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No. It only benefits the alliance. They took our land and they took our leaders and the stupid council is too blind to see the truth. That the alliance is worth being washed from the face of the world so the Horde finally has good land and stops living in poverty their traitor leaders has put them in.
You don’t have to threaten the universe to be actual danger to others. The Alliance is and always has been the biggest enemy of the Horde since the game started and it has not changed. We will never have propserity until the last of their people is gone for good. Humanity must fall. And their faction with them. Their lands then get distributed to the most loyal Horde members aka those who are not Orcs who follow Thrall or Tauren that follow Baine. I rather side with the Jailer before I ever become friends with a soldier of Stormwind who attacked Orgrimmar twice.
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I like this dude.
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The first time the Alliance laid siege to Orgrimmar, they were undone by Jaina. The second time the Alliance laid siege to Orgrimmar, it was a joint effort to throw down a madman. They only showed up to the city a third time to back Saurfang’s Mak’gora which revealed Sylvanas’s and the Jailer’s game.
And join the Jailer if you like, but realize you’re on the losing side. The Champions don’t lose.
I didn’t see any Horde involvement of the Horde during SoO. Infact I remember Baine and Vol’jin having their forces utterly destroyed by that kor’kron machine until Tyrande arrives and glaive down the gates. Without the Alliance no filthy Horde rebel would have ever had the chance to retake Orgrimmar for their uprising. The entire Horde council is on the paycheck to Stormwind and everyone knows it. In time we might see a rebellion willing to take them down for good.
What do you call millions of dead alliance night elves caused by the burning of Teldrassil?
Winning.
Dark Lady watch of you.
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Haha, the same Kor’kron machine that couldn’t even kill Ji Firepaw before the Champions arrived to put them down? That’s twice now Orgrimmar owes its existence to the Pandaren.
You however can’t really win this argument. It would continue forever. That blood elf player is known for his radical views. It’s quite comical, if you don’t take him too seriously.^^
What is radical about wanting to have Blizzard write the Horde like they write the alliance? Then all our leaders would be alive and we get our land back eventually. But the current devs hate the Horde so someone has to do something about it.
I call it a good start.
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You took it up a notch. Well said.
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I fully expect Baine to throw a speech at the next Horde council meeting towards Talanji telling her how Rastakhan was a valid legitemate military target and that she needs to let go of her anger and live in peace with the people who almost destroyed her entire kingdom. That spineless cow is the doom of the Horde and I gladly aid in killing him once we get the chance.
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Oh, yes. I know a great BBQ sauce supplier from the Firelands. 
