In Battle For Azeroth, We’re shown that followers of Bwonsamdi, as well that those killed by people who serve him, are sent to “De Other Side” which seems to be some kind of afterlife.
So is this separate from the Shadowlands, and Bwonsamdi is actually keeping them from passing on, or does some random dead troll actually have enough power to maintain his own section of the Shadowlands?
There are infinite realms in the Shadowlands. De Other Side is one of them. I think the Night Fae campaign implies that he got his from the Winter Queen.
Bwonsamdi is far more than a “dead Troll” as he apparently predates all of Trollkind. But yes, De Other Side is a realm in the Shadowlands that he at least holds partial dominion over.
As for his power, he does appear to bypass the Arbiter with his followers as we see souls going straight to him in Nazmir and him taking possession of others directly, such as Zalazane. It probably has to do with his deals, as the Mogu slain by Vol’jin end up in his care as well. It is worth noting that he seems to believe he was already in possession of Tyrathan Khort’s soul, even though it was a Mogu who would have slain him.
Bwonsamdi is far more powerful than people give him credit for.
wrong, he doesn´t bypass the arbiter, all trollsouls atm lands aswell inside the maw…and we saw trolls on other planes as the other side too
So how does he get some of his souls? How did he get those Mogu that have no belief attached to him?
Why would Zalazane be pulled directly to him after turning his back on his teachings?
Just because not all Trolls go to him is by no means indicative of his power. Most if not all Zandalari would be going to him based on their culture, but other Trolls are much more free. The Sandfury don’t even worship him. There’s your other Trolls right there.
Like all the others, the arbiter trusts them to him.
At the moment everyone ends up in the Maw because the arbiter is not working properly. Also all troll souls. Zandalari and Darkspears.
That effectively bypasses her. If some warmongering Mogu who would likely be destined for Maldraxxus was slain by one of Bwonsamdi’s champions, then it would go to him instead.
The arbiter is supposed to look at the deeds of ones life and send them to where they assist the Shadowlands, not to where Bwonsamdi wants them. Your logic is flawed here.
Interesting you say that, as we see souls STILL going to him in BFA in Nazmir. We see Hanzabu harvesting and presenting him with souls and him accepting them.
But they do not, at the moment all - without exception - all mortals, Zandalari and Darkspears too, end in the Maw.
and? he can´t change the deathsystem, the souls who gifted to him are to go over into the flow of souls and end up by the arbiter who condemns them and then assigns them to him, normally, but at the moment the system simply doesn’t work, which is why everything ends up in the Maw.
Ysera was the last one to reach the Ardenwaeld, although spirits of nature have a standard procedure for where they land, they also end up in the Maw at the moment. Every soul is ultimately classified by the arbiter, no matter what a local god of death promises.
Now you’re changing your tune. Are you implying that Bwonsamdi does not bypass the Arbiter and instead is more powerful than she by having the power to influence her decisions directly? He WOULD get that Mogu soul. It doesn’t matter where it would best fit, it’s his. There is no disputing that he has the power to directly claim souls.
Where’s your proof?
He doesn’t seem to think so. You directly place a number of souls into his care and he remarks that he has been directly empowered by you doing so. In fact, he continues to send you out to collect more souls and only remarks once about not gaining a soul destined for him, and that was Vol’jin. We know he has Rastakhan as well, who by normal logic would go to the Maw currently.
For someone who would directly be impacted by not receiving souls, he doesn’t seem to be that impacted nor care much at all.
I didn’t change it, I explained to you the procedure what happens to souls. The souls are picked up by Kyrians or local death gods and brought into the Soul River, which runs directly through Oribos where the arbiter then condemns these souls and divides them into the differend planes. So, thats normaly, today its not working because the arbiter is offline, and all souns went straight in the maw, thats the problem of the entire addon.
And the souls of trolls are picked up by Loa. You realise there is no exact same pattern of entering the afterlife, right?
The Bwonsamadi-Toll issue has three real possible answers:
The Other Side is described as a pocket realm, akin to the Azerothian elemental planes. From looking at it, the Other Side looks likes bits and pieces of other Shadowlands realms stitched together. Likely from Bwonsamadei wheeling and dealing to get bits.
These souls also normally end up in the flow of souls, you meet them later, the arbiter doesn’t send all of them to Bwonsamdi just because he wants to, in the end the arbiter decides who gets the soul.
Are you from your “inner” side, a better Kyrian, he sends you there, we meet trolls there who train to become a Kyrian. (Zandalari too), if you´re a realy bad guy…like…zul, maybe you´ll end normaly in revendreth or inside the maw
And I have explained that the system as explained can not feasibly work in Bwonsamdi’s case. We see souls going directly to his temple, where presumably they either directly enter De Other Side or a Kyrian picks them up like Amazon packages.
Lets say his temple acts as a point where they are picked up by Kyrians. They go to the river and to the Arbiter, who then assigns them based on their personal life. Bwonsamdi is capable of claiming souls that would generally not go to him. Either he just ignores her or he has the power to influence her choices for souls he wants.
The first makes far more sense.
Explain Zalazane.
The Arbiter is a Titan Construct.
by keeping them with him. They don’t end up on the other side but remain directly in his care, of course he can’t have an infinite number of them … “walking through the area”, as we know he collects them in urns, that’s how he saved the loas from the Maw by stuffing their souls into the urn. But this system has a catch…if he loses them, like Vol’Jin, his boss (arbiter) has usually no joy with him.
Then it’s still against the description we received that various followers of Loa upon death were directly guided by their patron to the Other side.
Zandalari makes no sense in Bastion, I don’t know where did you get it from? Bwonsamdi was meant to work around the flow of anima because of the the contract bond with his followers. While apostates likely exsit, it would still harm the current lore.
If a local - your tribe’s God of Death - tells you that there is a being above him that condemns all souls…and he can’t do anything about it…would you worship him or the superior being? The Shadowlands is an machine of death, all works after a schema, schema f, the schema f is currently broken, therefore the machinery of death is broken.
Lets drop the maw. Because it’s irrelevant now. So what you are saying Bwonsamdi can directly influence the Arbiter’s choices?
How does he get that Maldraxxus-bound Mogu? He has no contract with it, but does have a contract with it’s killer.
His deals can clearly break the system whether you like it or not.
Bwonsamdi could’ve simply have special deal with Arbiter to work in the way he does.
We saw through entire BfA how he is directly collecting souls and commenting over it in Necropolis.
These souls went directly to him.