It’s a logical outgrowth. Elune’s failure at the War of Thorns and the Shadowlandswould cause every surviving Night Elf to question their faith. Some will find their way to a stronger version of it after Ardenweld. Others will abandon her for other paths, deciding that the ones that the Night Elves had taken had only led to their doom.
The Forsaken have a gallow’s humor angle a lot of people seem incapable of perceiving.
Like it’s objectively weird watching people clutch pearls about say the Hillsbrad questline. When it is arguably the most comedic storyline in game. You meet a character called Johnny Awesome who threatens to write mean things about you on the forums if your quests stink. Later in the Sludgefields you’re given a shovel bathed in heavenly light and are told to do the right thing. But if you click on the humans, instead of the shovel itself in your inventory which is most player’s first instinct, you cave their heads in and get a cartoonishly massive spray of blood. That’s called a prank.
I love the zone as it’s the devs actively mocking and screwing with the players. But in a world where the Onion has to be loudly as proclaimed as satire I guess I shouldn’t be surprised some people take it with poe faced seriousness.
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We all see it. Not everyone enjoys that type of humor, though. It’s fine if you do.
I actually enjoy both Johnny Awesome and Kingslayer Orcus. Turns out I actually like the zone if you ignore the Forsaken’s invovlement.
Clicking the humans frees them. You actually have to click the shovel to kill them.
Serious or not, it’s still canon lore. Then again, the Forsaken’s culture can be retconned at the drop of a hat, as Blizzard has done before.
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Doesn’t make it any less uncomfortable for the average person though Ben. It’s not the sort of humour most people find funny or amusing.
It’s cool if you like that sort of thing, more power to you and others who do. I like the forsaken don’t get me wrong, I just find a lot of their humour to be uncomfortable to deal with at times is all
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Canon lore that it was the actions of a rogue Apothecary? And you kill both him and his collaborators?
I mean yeah. Id hope so.
You only kill him for experimenting on fellow Forsaken. The human experiments are sanctioned.
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According to who? Turning anything into mindless undead is pretty frowned upon by the Forsaken at large.
Which is why it remains really, really weird Baine was the one upset about Derek. Like we’re good with firebombing cities but torturing some waterlogged corpse is where he draws the line?
When with a Forsaken character, yes, that might well cross the only line they have.
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The Undercity were once full of living beings in cages used for their plague experiments and even in Brill, you use a plague strain on a captured scarlet crusader.
They have no morals and Doness is correct, the forsaken only got upset when they found out that other forsaken were being used as experiments in the sludge fields
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See though crucially that just kills them. It doesn’t make them undead, mindless or not.
Doesn’t mean the forsaken had any morals about experimenting on the living, which they did quite frequently 
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Oh yeah to test out the Blight. Thats why I said;
That’s why you’ll recall I found everything from BTS onward completely baffling. Because Blizzard forgot about that whole Will Of The Forsaken thing. Ya know, the free will thing, stressed over and over and over again all over Tirisfal and represented by characters like Voss or Judkins or Bartholomew being able to leave at any time.
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You partially win here. After refreshing my memory a little bit, it turns out the humans were only brought there for slave labor, not to be used as experiments. The fact remains, that theres zero evidence of Stillwater being punished for anything other than experimenting on Forsaken.
I mean yeah believe it or not I’m weirdly knowledgeable about the Forsaken.
It’s the creating mindless undead thing that gets Stillwater the axe. After what is probably the best bossfight end to a questline.
Although bafflingly he appears to be alive again. At least in the mission tables. Which kinda highlights Blizz’s approach to writing. Because I guarantee they just opened up a list of Hillsbrad NPCs and went with him because of the authoritative title.
The banshee Melisara is the actual leader of the Forsaken in Hillsbrad, and Lydon or Helcular also would’ve worked fine. But finding that out would require maybe 4 minutes of research which is just a big ask, apparently.
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from fellow Forsaken.
If that’s your interpretation I can’t really argue. But the Forsaken tend to get really angry about creating mindless undead.
Except randomly when Sylvanas does it in the Battle of Lordaeron. To everyone, Forsaken soldiers included, but then again everyone seems to have brain worms for most of that.
I still don’t know what’s dumber. Anduin finding nothing strange about Sylvanas chilling alone and unguarded in a lobby, or Sylvanas very nearly melting him when he’s crucial to the Jailor’s plan.
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The BfA mission tables are full of weirdness like that. I think the most sensible approach is to treat them as non-canon.
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I mean, even the alliance mission tables has you rescuing people from teldrassil long after it’s a charred stump.
It’s why I don’t take the mission tables as cannon until blizz confirms which ones are. Which they do on occasion
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Which is a shame because they seemed way more fun than what we were doing.
Ill never forget sending troops into battle outside SFK to take on Bloodfang troops reinforced with Gnomish spider tanks.
Then having to go wander up to Vol’Dun and pick up hyena poop for the war effort.
Kind of felt the wires got crossed up there.
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Awesome shows up as a tavern questgiver if you build one in your WOD Garrison.
That is actually one of the few things they changed after player feedback on beta. They added the text about how the Night Elf spirits being raised have to be willing, and they added some who refused. Dunno if it was enough, but their intent seems pretty clear.
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