Also why didn’t they just go with San’Layn as the catch all term? That sounds so much more elfy.
My reaction to Darkfallen is to go “More like Dorkfallen! Later nerds!”.
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Where were these people when all orcs got turned into the SS? Do only pretty races matter?
When? During Garrosh? During WoD? During BFA? Or are you talking about Warcraft 3? Or maybe was it the First and Second wars?
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Kind of not sure what you’re expecting here. Plenty of people raised objections to the characterizations (and uses) of orcs across the many times they were villain-batted. They’re not as loud as the night elf complaints, but that’s because, fundamentally, the Horde is the blood elf faction as far as the actual PC demographics, and the blood elves have absolutely nothing happen to them after BC. (EDIT: The one time something did happen, in MoP, I remember this forum being extremely loud about it.) There’s nothing to complain about, for them. Complaints are chiefly by proxy as a member of the Horde or the Alliance. Also there’s the occasional member of the WC1/2 contingent that really loves that particular take on orcs, though they seem to not be around much the last few years.
By contrast, the pretty races for the Alliance are the ones in the driver’s seat, so the complaints are more likely to be personal.
I may abstractly care that the Worgen need to be thrown a bone, but I don’t have any personal interest in them, so I’m not going to be as loud about it as my pet interests. (This also applies to Night Elves; I comment b/c I’m bored and I like you people).
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I think the Worgen could be really, really cool but I’m unconvinced Blizz is ever going to let them be.
They’re werewolves. They should be up to some spooky shenanigans. Stalking cobblestone streets on a misty full moon night, their monstrous shadows cutting through gaslight street lamps as they close on the prey. Ripping chunks of still steaming viscera out’ve throats to cut horrified screams short. That sort of thing. And they’re just not going to be allowed to do that in their current role as essentially just SW’s mildly grumpy talking dog companion.
They also lack any clear enemy. Their beef with the Forsaken is about as one sided as things get. They come up once after Silverpine, a decade later, in Stormheim. And they do look cool fighting in a vaccum but when the rest of the Horde and Alliance are around it kinda looks like the glowing eyed monsters should be on the same side.
This is why I volunteered the Scarlets earlier. That’d give them something nice and squishy to splatter. Then just let them have their spooky Victorian zone and keep them around to be the Alliance’s resident spookster specialists. The things that bump back against what goes bump in the night.
That’s about the best I could figure for them right now.
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Yes
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Have you tried turning it off and on again?
People?
No
But this is inherently monstrous, manipulative and abusive, you know that right? Murdering people, raising them into undeath, and effectively gaslighting and emotionally blackmailing them into joining the faction that contains their murderers and despoilers of their bodies is evil. That should not be allowed by other members in the Horde, that is deeply disrespectful of Alliance players who invest in these races to see them twisted into being Scourge-lite.
The Forsaken Night Elves should be buried in the pit of radioactive bad lore. Along with Shadowlands and Sylvannas, same goes for Alternate Universe Draenor and Yrel the Zealot. We don’t have to keep picking poisoned fruit from the same trees.
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I don’t think it can really be considered murder if you then immediately unkill the person. Involuntarily goth makeover maybe, but murders a bit much.
As for dishonesty there isn’t any. Elune was a bad deity. She let her people die to bail out her sister’s business then didn’t even check to see if they went to the right place. Zekhan has a crisis of faith when he briefly see’s the Maw in Shadow’s Rising. But Bwomsamdi, unlike Elune, actually saved his faithful.
They’re right to be angry and mistrustful. Their god is completely asleep at the wheel.
Not to mention the Forsaken are free to return to the grave at any moment. Deathknell has some newly raised going “Nope” and dropping back down like they hit a switch. Most don’t though. Captain Stone gives some insight into why;
"It was… invigorating seeing those people get what they deserved.
Is this what it is like to be free? To set your own rules?
Perhaps I could get used to this"
It was Sylvanas’s prerogative that undeath was a curse. The majority I feel you can call Leslie Neilson, because they’re Dead And Loving It.
That isn’t true. The act had already happened and the elves were killed. At the same time, The Winter Queen was sending an SOS out. So, she tried to triage the situation. Also, eternal beings are not omnipotent or omniscient. it takes a lot of effort to go to another realm. There was no reason at the time to assume that something was wrong. and the souls were going to the maw. Something was off, but nothing to sound alarm bells.
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Look justify it however you want all I know is if I wake up in Azeroth tomorrow I’ll pledge myself to the skull troll.
Because if nobody got me, I know Bwomsamdi got me. He’s the only deity in this setting actually busting his butt to be your personal Lord and Savior.
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Literally just did a spit take on that.
Love it. So very much.
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It may be shocking for some, but most people don’t drink the faction kool-aid. Especially when factions hinder gameplay, the story, and their fans act like degenerate hooligans.
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Night Elves being part of the enemy faction is dumb for a lot of reasons already laid out by many here. IF the kaldorei were/are getting shamans down the road, they should’ve went the typical route blizz usually goes with this.
And that being that some started hearing the call of the elements, some begging to let them help or something along those lines. No need to blame Elune, especially when their faith was tested way harder than this before in the past, and they came out stronger for it
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I do not think that people sharing an opinion that something is dumb means something is dumb by default.
This sort of broadens the topic outside of Shaman. It seems like two different discussions :
Do Night Elves need to reject Elune to be shaman? No. That is a heavy handed way of introducing the concept. Blizz could have gone a super duper sweet and friendly direction, and made it about how the Faction Cooperation between the Cenarion Circle and Earthen Ring has led to the Night Elves respecting Shamanism. That would have been a nice way to do it.
On the other hand…
Does it make sense that some Night Elves turn against Elune? Well, maybe a tiny smattering of them, why not? Losing faith is very common.
The kaldorei have a history of at least some of their people abandoning Elune. Azshara and her highborne were slowly supplanting Elune worship - those kaldorei did not care much for Elune. Later, Fandral revealed himself a villain, and split with them. Kaldorei are capable of doing bad things and turning their back on Elune.
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Not sure I understand the issue.
Primalists have many races. Narrative-wise it’s supposed to give the image that it could be anyone - not a faction based on race, but ideology. Similar to Twilight Hammer cultist.
Also - I may have misread this - but they seem to be all the non-Titan-descended races (Tauren, Troll, Elf, etc).
That jives with the whole “Order is bad! We want elemental chaos!” It’s also a bit of a “Azeroth was X before outsiders came and changed it to Y and we want to go back to X - which was a world completely overrun by Elemental Lords before the Old Gods arrived and enslaved them and then the Titans - and in which I’m not sure any of our races actually evolved but who cares because earth wind fire water heart is more fun than light void death life order disorder!”
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I mean, this definitely would have explained Aszhara being the 8.2 boss better than “Oh, Sylvanas wanted to give her the Old God Dagger.”
It’s more the fact this is yet another kick to the balls for the race Blizz has been treating like a narrative punching bag since Cata. Especially since they have no indication they’re willing to even conclude the Burning narrative, just keep stringing players along, unlike the Blighting of Lordaeron, which was more or less resolved by 9.2.5, the city just hasn’t been updated yet to be useable by players.
^This.
Honestly, given there’s been no sign of it in the playable game, just datamining, I wouldn’t believe it’s happening until it’s actually shown.
Which would be one of the stupidest things imaginable, so yeah, I can see Blizz doing it…
I’ll help dig the pit. Will never forgive the Mag’har scenario for ruining one of my favorite characters…
Or have curious Nelves train under the Draenei shaman.
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Turns out, all of those things are a part of the Forsaken’s theme. Scourge rebels, who are not much different from the Scourge. I hear there was a tug of war at Blizzard about how to write them. Some people at Blizzard genuinely thought the Forsaken were called the Scourge, and mixed them up, according to one of Jonathan Staats’ books.
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While I enjoy the forsaken for what they are and what they do, it does make a lot of their earlier quests a little bit uncomfortable to do.
Have to kind of turn your brain off when dealing with most forsaken stuff or you realize how gross a lot of it actually is.
Which is funny, because the Maldraxxi are the complete opposite. They’re mostly a bunch of nice dudes who like to beat each other and everyone else up 
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