thanks for reminding me that I have not yet heard an explanation for as to how the ‘Unleashed Scourge’ got from Northrend to …anywhere else, really.
oh, and is it public knowledge that the Scourge attack only occurred because of something else Sylvanas did? It wouldn’t surprise me if so, that that got spun into her deliberately trying to steal the lich King’s power and setting them on her enemies. Even more great PR for her!
By stripping him of it and then breaking the Helm of Domination, she ended Bolvar’s term as the “Lich King”
Hence Terena’s "THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A LICH KING’ speech comes into play.
I mean, what is the in-universe public perception of the event? They didn’t even know that there still was a Lich King, let alone who it was, just suddenly that the Scourge were back. I don’t think we know that. I mean, ‘Bolvar’s the new Lich King’ was meant to be kept a secret that only a few high ranking members of both faction were privy to. This question quite possibly deserves it’s own thread.
Honesty I initially I thought the night elves losing their home was literally the best thing that could have happened to them. It made me so jazzed for the faction conflict that I made this toon for BGing killing hordies. This sort of involvement of a faction city and having a race have specific motives is what I always dreamed for in WoW, night elves were incredibly lucky to be the one to get it rather than just existing in the peripheral along with poor underused Darnassus (whose story that was built up since vanilla was finished in a crappy book 0.2% of the playerbase read.)
I loved the cinematic where Tyrande told Anduin to shove the peace treaty up his bum her “No.” with the night elf theme kicking in was pure juice I sometimes still go back and watch that cinematic. But then she spares Sylvanas because ??? Elune ??? And all of a sudden the figurehead of this plotline was deflated and I’m left unsatisfied. More nelves should have gotten the spotlight. I’m glad it happened over not happening but there was more to be done with it. Darnassus was my favourite faction city too. I really wish we could see more faction cities in the story and not just be a place lore characters sometimes, very rarely, talk in (mostly stormwind/orgrimmar).
tbf Bolvar became active again during Legion and the Deathlord’s source of legitimacy as leader of the order was because they were Bolvar’s right hand and personal champion. It’s hard to say if no one knew after player DKs spent 3 years murdering people and sacking class halls in Bolvar’s name and on his orders.
The reason I doubt this is because back in BfA they honestly seemed to underestimate just how upset Teldrassil would make people. It went completely unmentioned for all of the launch patch, and Darkshore felt scrambled together.
I don’t think that is necessarily a contradiction of Pellex’s point, though it is a tension. I believe we already know the specifics of the way Darn and UC would be lost were finalized very late and not everyone was on board.
Under this hypothesis, the people pushing it knew it would be a useful source of drama for the engagement without needing to continually create new incentives in the future, but they weren’t expecting quite that level of negative response. It’s like turning on your stove because you need to sear something and getting your kitchen burned down. That meets what you were looking for at one level, but far more than you were expecting or is useful.
FOR THE HORSE!!!
(Seriously the post made me want to scream it).
She who stalks the oat fields, the bringer of innocence lost, the nightmare who dreams of free range racing….
All must bow before the the Queen of Neighs, her Majesty Old Blanchy!
(Amazing how much fun you can have with a single typo 
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I think that’s probably an artefact of the behind-the-scenes turmoil, personally. (See threads here and here if you haven’t read about it.)
And Twinkletorch’s stove analogy is a good one. But even if it’s not the reason they originally went along with burning Teldrassil, it might be the reason why they’re keeping its memory alive in the playerbase.
Not for nothing, but the journal that outlines everything that went down at the Sludge Fields was written by a guy named Clerk Horrace Whitesteed, who should’ve been six years dead by the time of writing. For Cata Hillsbrad to happen, Vanilla Hillsbrad where High Executor Darthalia’s agents kill all those farmers the first time gets crossed out. They still annihilated Dun Garok somehow, I guess people took Darthalia up on personal bounty offers but nobody capable saw the wanted poster ten feet away.
All this for Stillwater, the guy the Forsaken voluntarily exorcised from their culture in Cata, to come back for unrelated reasons two expansions in a row, framed as their ally at least once. I guess Blizzard must be really proud of the hulked out mad scientist model they made for Putricide in 2009.
If we’re real, it’s always been murky with Sylvanas and Nathanos both summoning skeleton minion packs in Vanilla. RPG books at the time even said she did it with a rod from Kel’Thuzad.
Show me that you didn’t read my entire post without telling me that you didn’t read my entire post.
yeah, nah.
the alliance gets shown victories. like undoing quite literally the Horde’s entire war campaign and killing the king they’re treating with. Then Jaina Proudmoore solos them as the Alliance escapes scott free.
but you know, that and the cutscene don’t count
cause
idk
reasons
Dedmar sewed body bags for Deathguards slain in battle, the blanket was supposed to keep herself warm so she could have still enough hands to keep doing that.
I’ve gone on before about how nauseating the whole support murloc sentiment is, especially played straight as cute and wholesome, so here I’ll only add that gushing over a cute slave is more of a “loud moment of random zany quirkiness” than a “quiet moment of humanity.” Marla’s Last Wish is more along the lines of the latter, even Nathanos with his hounds is.
This guy has spent like 4 years slowly going from teldrassil was not a big deal and people need to stop being bent about it, its over, nothing wrong, move along but oh poor poor “insert whatever he cares about”.
Any development good or ill counts as an over correction to what he deems as non consequential and turns that into the old argument of:
“Literally nothing will ever make the NE players happy.”
Obviously its pretty ironic coming from a guy that maintains there was no problem to begin with.
In short he gaslights. Thats all he does. Day in, day out. For years!
“Your issues dont matter but mine do!”
In comes smallioz, lying: to the surprise of absolutely no one. I’ve never said losing a main city wasn’t a big deal. It just wasn’t in any way more important than lordaeron. Or three horde characters. Or losing the entire expansion.
Says he doesn’t say it was not a big deal.
Proceeds to explain why it wasn’t a big deal compared to whatever he cares about it.
So.
He didn’t get past two lines before doing exactly what I said he does.
Compared to losing a city, three horde characters, and the entire expansion in the same expansion?
Yeah, cause losing one city doesn’t compare.
Please learn basic addition, smallioz.
Lmao. 