And you’re soundly rejected. It is not set in stone that Night Elves have to stay faithful to their deity forever and ever, no matter what. What you think “contradicts Night Elf lore” is no contradiction at all, but completely reasonable, and not unprecedented.
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hmmm nope. Many people today bring up old tragedies and identify with them…holding it against people who had nothing to do said tragedies. Examples: Jews and Holocau$t and Black Americans and American slavery.
Its pretty clear going forward that the burning of Teldrassil will be the cudgel to shame anyone who face the Night Elf society.
Personally, I think its just bad writing.
Please use the grey matter in between your ears and actually read what is being said.
It will help you tremendously in your life.
You’re posting this on a video game forum.
For all you know, some of us may have dealt with a genocidal conflict irl.
I mean, Blizzard also banned Ukrainian players from playing Blizzard during the war, in addition to Russian ones.
Using real world faiths as an example is just intellectually dishonest. WoW is a polytheistic setting filled with deities who don’t work in mysterious ways. No, those deities grant their priests the power to shoot shadowbolts and lightning from their fingertips, raise the fallen and heal the deepest of wounds. Compared to the competition, Elune has been a huge failure. Which is likely why we’ll see Night elf shamans in the future.
I have, and your post is filled with cognitive dissonance. “Make sure druids are weaker, hurr, then it would count”. Mate, they are. They’re all weak already, that’s the whole point. Elune’s weakness is the entire reason why we have this conversation.
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I, too, agree that making us kill jaded Teldrassil survivors, like Sira, is just gross after the last few expansions. Night Elves who lose faith in Elune should not be villainized so.
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It is not, you keep taking my quotes out of context or don’t even address what they say. Instead, you just make up a point I never did. I think I will just put you on ignore because its obvious all you want to do is troll rather than talk about the story and certain of its shortcomings.
If you were willing to actually engage and address the points fully then I would not have to resort to this. Instead speaking with you becomes this frustrating exercise of constantly trying to clarify what I said and meant rather than talk about what is actually being said. Thank you for your time but we will not be speaking further.
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No, you’re just proving your own incapability to disprove any of my points. “Ignoring” is your gut reaction when faced with Elune’s incompetence. That’s what you call an adequate reaction to the monumental loss the Night Elves have faced. That’s what you call “lore friendly”, when it’s just nonsense, from a purely psychological perspective. THIS is bad writing.
Is this really that big a deal? It’s just retreading the whole Druids of the Flame angle from Cataclysm, but with increased scale and three extra elements thrown in.
You know the forum is dead when people don’t care that much about Teldrassil.
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I think the Burning of Teldrassil would’ve worked IF it was done the following way. This is how I would’ve done it;
It wasn’t Sylvanas who burned Teldrassil, but Azshara and the Naga (Azshara knows how to weaponize Azerite and has powerful magic, so it should be within her abilities). Azshara and the Naga destroy Teldrassil and frame Sylvanas/the Horde for it (who only intended to occupy Teldrassil and corner the Azerite supply). This way Azshara gets revenge on the Night Elves for helping foil her alliance with Sargeras, pits two powerful groups that could disrupt her plans against each other AND creates a massive distraction that lets her work her plans unimpeded. Then the ruse is uncovered and there is some sort of restitution and closure for the Night Elves.
Sadly, that’s not what we got.
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It’s been four years. There’s part of me that’s surprised people still care about it this much.
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It affects the story to this day. That’s why the OP called it narrative poison.
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That is really not the issue here.
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I do apologize, that was a bit harsh. I was cranky yesterday.
I just find this topic so exhausting. It pretty much ruined the faction conflict because for reasons that defy my comprehension they decided to open with this depressing gut punch of a plot beat. That turned out to be just completely irrelevant to the story at large. If you didn’t join the Ardenweald Covenant it pretty much never comes up again, and even there it’s a small plot point that gets moved past fairly quickly. It’s biggest narrative impact is giving Sylvanas’s good side just one more thing to be upset about.
And Christ what a waste. The faction conflict should be fun. It should be what the BFA cinematic seemed to advertise. A Godzilla VS King Kong esque wrestling match where you know going in they’re going to go 1 - 1 before having to team up to take on a bigger threat. But you’re here for the cool fight scenes.
Like the Forsaken squaring up with the Kaldorei sounds like a blast. They’ve never really been in direct open conflict before. They have completely asymetrical power sets and aesthetics but have just enough thematic crossover to make things interesting. They’re both creatures of the night afterall. Lot of room for fun “The dark is my home too” style banter. Could’ve had a kaiju slap fight between a flesh titan and ancient. It’s basically miracle growth VS herbicide. That should be fun.
And instead it was this weird, boring slog where the Forsaken were just there to lose. I didn’t even want them to win. Darkshore means nothing to them. And it’s not like the Kaldorei are some great enemy of theirs, they’re on opposite ends of the planet. They’re only enemies because of work obligations.
The joy of a setting like this is we dont have to take things all that seriously. Soldiers spring fully formed from the wombs of barracks. People explode only to return later having apparently walked off a firery death. World ending threats are thwarted casually with the power of friendship every other month. Gruff veterans of a thousand battles tell fart jokes if you click on them a bunch. I’m not saying WoW can’t be more grounded or try for more mature themes. But going for a serious as cancer story about mass death, a refugee crisis and trauma to lead us into an adventure about dinosaurs and pirates is so stupid I feel like they’re deliberately screwing with us.
It really feels like the only way forward was using SL as an excuse to hit CTRL+Z on it where feasible then hastily moving on. Which is what I thought they were doing.
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Seems to be.
“The Night Elves are part of a new enemy faction! Stop this Blizzard! They’ve suffered enough!!”
As if they’re entire race needs to be treated the same way with kids gloves and there can’t be bad guys from that species anymore.
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Really? Then why when they were in Twilight hammer, Druids if the flame no one said anything.
You know that is not the issue, as does everyone here.
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That has always been sort of the problem. The factions wars were never suppose to be “fun”. I mean gameplay wise it was suppose to be/be an excuse for us to bash each other’s heads in pvp.
But narratively the faction wars were always suppose to be somber “war is hell” affair. And that we were always suppose to be upset by the senseless death and destruction.
See the problem with that is
This is what we call ludonarrative dissonance. This would be like making a piñata that screams in agony everytime you whack it.
If you didn’t want me to hit it, why fill it with candy?
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Well, the motives are very sparse. It’s a bunch of shamans (including night elves) who serve the elements and the proto-drakes. Who see the Order magic by the titans are corruptive. They seek to return the world to chaos. In the first dungeon. A night elf shaman boss is trying to “save” dragon eggs from the corruption of order. Her goal is to cleanse and protect them. She uh turns the whelps against the party who hatch. The second boss is a tauren who is setting fire to the nursery area. She also believes that she is on the side of good.
Then a troll with a proto drake boss without voice.
In the next zone. A night elf shaman primalist with a burn scar teams up with the bloodtotem tauren version of the centaurs to kill the daughter of ysera, meritha or something. Then to invade the Emerald dream.
They keep talking like they are trying to stop the evil titans and their titanic enslaved dragons. They never really specify why. I have seen Primalist of these races: Vulpera, tauren, nelf, orc, troll. Maybe a goblin. edit: Dwarves as well. All races with playable shaman + night elves.
One of the leaders of the primalists is a night elf, dethea, and Kurok Grimtotem. The primal council is 2 night elves, some sort of elemental furblog and a tauren.
The bronze dragons show us a potential future where they win; which is one of elemental chaos.
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