Shadow Word: Pain originally didn’t scale with haste specifically because blizzard couldn’t figure out how to code it to do so. Blizzard themselves admitted that this was the case, and it was not for balancing reasons.
Shadow is currently below average, and given that priest DPS players have no alternative to Shadow, this issue needs to be addressed. A perfect fix would be for Shadow Word: Pain to benefit from haste, as it was originally intended (confirmed by blizzard). Not only is this reasonable, but this is an honest, legitimate reasoning, unlike the made-up reasoning for retribution buffs.
I would very much like to see any argument against this that doesn’t simultaneously contradict the logic behind ret buffs.
Thanks 
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Shadow is slightly above average.
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1017#
Good try tho!
Ret was last.
Actually, if we’re counting ret as “bottom” and ignoring the 3 below it (I’m using your logic here) Then shadow is dead middle. Priests in general are less represented than paladins by a large margin and our only DPS spec is not only in the dead middle of the pack, but offers less utility than the rest of the casters by a large margin.
Shadow Word: Pain was intended to be effected by haste, but blizzard couldn’t figure out how to code it (this is confirmed by blizzard). There is zero reason not to buff SWP to be how it was originally intended.
P.S, We’re only middle of the pack right now because we have a very, very good 4pc bonus right now ( I know you guys will like that one )
They couldn’t figure out how to code it? But they were able to figure out how to make haste work with every other dot.
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Yep, it’s confirmed by Blizzard. That’s how it went down. It was because the talent Pain and Suffering refreshing SWP with a mind flay made it hard to code bla bla bla
You’ve said that 3 times now without a source.
But even if that’s true, one could simply say that the damage difference was made up in other ways. It’s not like it was a bug. They knew what was going on and how it impacted spriest damage.
But by all means, keep complaining. If enough priests shed enough tears Blizz may well cave again.
You literally need a shadow to kill Algalon.
Ret is a bring 1 and so is spriest.
You just said it yourself you’re middle of the pack.
That’s a long way from last.
The thing is – what I’m saying can be proven, with a source.
This cannot.
That’s the plan.
Shadow priests offers inferior utility compared to other specs of the same role. Ret may have been lower, but offered top tier utility.
Spriest and pre-buff ret are in very similar spots
The only difference is, Spriest’s weakness is due to a legitimate coding issue, while ret’s was done by design and “fixed”/buffed based on an illegitimate argument.
And yet four times now you’ve not given a source. You’re entering troll territory.
No they aren’t, you will always be a 1 of just like they will.
You literally need a spriest to kill Algalon lmfao.
You don’t need a ret to kill him.
Nope. You don’t.
“We removed Shadow Word: Pain from scaling with haste because we thought Shadow dps was too high with all 3 dots hasted. There is a bug where you can get big SW:P dots and then keep them rolling at that magnitude forever since the spell gets constantly refreshed. It’s a nasty bug to fix.(4)”
Then who survives the explosion 100% of the time??
I will give you a couple minutes to go look up the fight.
There’s logs of algalon kills without a shadow.
Not that being required for 1 fight in an expansion is a testament to a spec’s overall viability at all, by the way.
If we’re talking about shadow’s performance and being able to justify a buff, and your main argument is that you need one shadow priest on one boss fight this xpac, then I think the shadow community is making good progress here 
No my main argument was that you’re middle of the pack remember???
Show me a log without a spriest.
You’re literally a 1 of just like ret.
I’d argue spriest is picked more than ret.
Except it isn’t fair to look solely at DPS numbers. They’re a part of the class, but they’re not the entire class. Ret paladin had unmatched levels of utility, yet was low on the DPS chart. They got a buff. Shadow priest is middle of the pack for dealing damage, but their utility is outclassed by every single caster.
Let’s not act like that’s not a problem.
But you still only bring 1.
They could have more utility and you’re still only bringing 1, you’re only bringing 1 spriest too.
You’re also forgetting that spriest gains the most dps this phase in full bis than any other spec.
Sure they are middle now but I bet they don’t end that way meanwhile ret doesn’t scale at all.
Your argument has been debunked.
Also waiting on a log without a spriest
Ah, stopped getting attention on your “I’m disgusted” thread upset about paladins and now moving onto the next random thought which popped into your head to make a thread on?
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Ret is known to get their biggest buff from Tier set in ICC lol. It’s what their entire spec is balanced around, right? This statement is certainly false.
So you’re saying that spriest scales well, and ret doesn’t (even though their entire spec balance is supposedly based around ICC gear) and somehow my
Yeah I don’t think so guy.
I liked this post he made earlier…
I get that opinions change, but that’s quite a flip in 5 hours.
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Ret is not scaling in ulduar or TOGC. Icc has yet to be seen, stop making stuff up.
Tier 10 for ret is going to need to give them 3k DPS by then for them to even be just bad.