Buff Mages?

[Searik-skullcrusher (Searik)]

Maybe its just the types of fights popping up? There seem to be a lot of dot/cleave happy fights with tons of movement these days.

[Burkkins-moon-guard]

WTB Cataclysm fire mage, or fire rework with more “burning”. Throwing fireballs is boring, I want the fires burning hotter, dots dots dots, increasing damage.

[Absentiá-maelstrom]

lol Cata fire mage was freaking insane. I remember on Halfus I did like 35% of my 25 man heroic raiding guild’s damage on our heroic kills because of the million whelps and all the dot spreading. That was so broken.

[Anchor-runetotem]

Anybody have the dps spread % from first to last on Patchwork and hectic add cleave fights? At work so I cant really investigate it atm. And im not talking sims im talking real world fights.

[Absentiá-maelstrom]

I think it’s a mix of both, but in terms of real world, Demo lock is first at 29.1k and Ret is last at 19.5k.

That’s at ilvl 415

[Drezwazluz-aegwynn (Drezwazluz)]

Anybody have the dps spread % from first to last on Patchwork and hectic add cleave fights? At work so I cant really investigate it atm. And im not talking sims im talking real world fights.

Seeing as no patchwork or HaC fights exists in game, no

[Paladina-kargath (Paladina)]

I want the fires burning hotter

There’s a boss in Tol Dagor would like a word with you!

[Køzzie-illidan]

Mine are better than yours. And so are the players in mine.

again…95th percentile… people literally set up parse runs for this. it’s not an accurate measurement by any standard.

Because the adds don’t matter and are largely pad? A prot warrior is r10 in the world for the second boss. Including add damage is pretty stupid.

Except they are part of the fight? why are you excluding a portion of the fight? lol… you realize the adds have mechanics and need to die right? and that damage does matter to them because they are … oh i dunno… part of the actual boss fight?

do you… do you exclude everything except for the pure ST damage on the boss?

so the adds on champions… the dps to them doesn’t matter?

the adds on grong… we can just let them live the entire fight right because dps to them doesn matter?

adds on jadefire… those don’t matter either right… the tigers wont wipe you if you dont dps them.

or the two adds in oppulence… we can just skip past those right.

oh and the raptors that fixate on conclave… dps to those doesnt matter.

rastakan doesn’t matter either. these adds and their mechanics don’t need to be dpsed.

you’re just wrong man.

95th is actual good players playing the spec optimally.

95fth percentile is a lolparse of players that are typically cheesing avoiding mechanics because they out gear things. thee parse typically have either done the fight so many times, or out gear it so much and it’s an outlier.

75% includes most high parsing players in normal situations. not parse fights.

Also… try this.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/21#class=Mage&spec=Arcane

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/21#class=Priest&spec=Shadow

notice how on every fight top shadow parses beat arcame’s top parses by anthwere from 8k to 25k dps… that’s a big disparity especially after the bfa stat squish.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/21#class=Mage&spec=Fire

fire even worse… and these are the best of the best playing as optimally as possible as you so put.

[Vaedryn-uldum]

I would love for them to rework casting so it can be done while moving. Give every caster the boots from Legion darnit! >.<

[Vaedryn-uldum]

Because it’s silly to think it has any ties to balancing or anything of the sort. It’s essentially old information that doesn’t need to be brought up.

Yes it does. Since utility is such a joke now, Mages offer little besides a food table and int buff. If their DPS is below hybrid, they will be benched while hybrid classes with utility greater than theirs will take their place. This is why pure DPS specs need to have an advantage in terms of DPS.

If a mages job can be done by a Shaman, Priest or Druid and be better, then there is no need for a Mage.

[Anchor-runetotem]

I will make a counter argument here, just for the sake if it.

All this utility that hybrid specs, as you put it, bring requires the use of globals and therefore less chances for dps to be put out. Why should a hybrid spec be punished for bringing utility that is slightly different than that of the mage? Mage utility is mostly passive and shaman utility, for exame, is mostly active.

[Rentrenus-stormrage]

All this utility that hybrid specs, as you put it, bring requires the use of globals and therefore less chances for dps to be put out. Why should a hybrid spec be punished for bringing utility that is slightly different than that of the mage? Mage utility is mostly passive and shaman utility, for exame, is mostly active.

The difference between a DPS and hybrid Spec isn’t utility.

Yes, it’s rooted in some classes having both a DPS spec alongside a Tank/Healer Spec, but it’s more profound.

Only Hybrid specs can directly affect other players on the team. Druids can become temporary healers or tanks if needed, and even if just playing DPS, they can throw out heals and shields. Shadow priests are also able to help with heals and sheilds on other team members.

Thus, when both can do the same DPS, but the other can can help out the team more, while still having the additional utility we generally expect: CCs, Interrupts, etc., then it makes little sense to bring the pure DPS.

A mage will never be able to tank or heal for you, nor even assist in those domains. It is currently brough for three aspects:

-The Int buff
-The Slow from Frost
-When execution phase from Fire is vital

Only one of these even has to do with DPS, and reflects a nice environment.

[Wuzeh-wyrmrest-accord]

Give all three specs deep freeze back, while we’re at it.

I miss my pyroblast shatter combos.

[Valrayne-dalaran (Valrayne)]

Yep. Mage is trash dps all specs atm. I gave up on mine until they get the 200% buff to all spells to bring them into line with all the other caster classes.

[Dwarfmage-lightbringer (Dwarfmage)]

Dps is dps is dps. What is the point of calling it a “pure” dps?

Spoken like a hybrid

[Hipperz-illidan]

It has been said in another thread over on the mage forums (where this thread probably belongs) that the class suffers largely from raid encounter design. Not saying the mages couldn’t use some love, but that class design is not the only issue.

My assumption for mages is

Right, so what can be done about over-abundant spread-cleave once a tier has already released? There is no solution other than a mid-expansion rework of a class(which we know won’t happen,) or to have a better designed raid that offers opportunities for every spec to shine next tier. We don’t have spread cleave, the raid favors spread cleave, and to buff Mages to the point they’re top 5 on every fight would make Mages problematic outliers themselves. The issue that matters isn’t “the state of M…

[Anchor-runetotem]

Have you ever tried tanking out of tank spec? Because I have and you know what? I was promptly squished by the boss. And heals are utter garbage as well if you arent in heal spec. Can we do these things? Yes. Should we? Usually not outside of stupid niche situations.

For the record, i already agreed with your conclusion. Yes mages need a bump or two up or a complete redesign. Your reasoning behind “pure dps” needing a numericle advantage is nothing but a steaming pile of tauren poo. DPS should be better balanced, but no one dps should be better because simply because your utility isnt usefull in a particular part of the game.

If you want better utility then so be it, ask for it. If you want to be the best dps because your utility isnt useful in the content you play, then maybe you are playing the wrong character for the content. Mage int buff is huge. And your personal survivabilty is on another level from most classes along with your instant movement abilities which reduce downtime by quite a bit.

[Ekidona-dalaran]

Yes we do twice as much dps as everyone else combined just by spamming one button but we should still do twice that! I was killed once pvping when 10 people ganged up on me ;(. Playing mage is suffering

I cried reading this. Buff mages and nerf warriors

[Burkkins-moon-guard]

I want the fires burning hotter

There’s a boss in Tol Dagor would like a word with you!

+Cookie for noticing.

lol Cata fire mage was freaking insane. I remember on Halfus I did like 35% of my 25 man heroic raiding guild’s damage on our heroic kills because of the million whelps and all the dot spreading. That was so broken.

I know right, but it’s a fun concept, just needs tuning, was all about the dots. Most fun spec I’ve ever played. The pleasure of putting up 3 dots, a strong combustion being one of them, and then using fire blast to spread them all, so satisfying.

[Wardcleaver-stormrage]

Mage does not need buffs for world questing, world pvp, and regular dungeons. I enjoy my mage and am doing quite well, but then my wow experience doesn’t revolve around raids and mythics.