How is a pure dps class complete trash like this? Meanwhile monks and warlocks are running laps around them. Dev team should be embarrassed.
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a classic wow dev was posting in the classic hunter discord saying itâs tricky because the amount of buff hunters need to be competitive at the top level of raiders may make them overpowered in the mid tier level of raiders
It really sucks that hunters canât even have one good spec while the other pure dps classes enjoy 2 or 3.
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Guys a true master was balancing the specs.. its unquestionable.. but it probably fell flat because he was suppose to be all in.. his words.. but then dipped out 20 minutes after launch.
But hey at least hunters were the only one to receive a real nerf in p1
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They really just need to ignore the âtop level of raidersâ.
Let the top go insane and land where it may; balance for the average.
Games should never be balanced around outliers.
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If you look at the overall statistics (not just the top 95%), hunters are at the bottom of the meters there too. Hunters donât scale well so itâs just going to get worse. Blizz really needs to address this. There is no reason for a pure dps spec that brings little to no utility to have all 3 specs at the bottom of the meters. Itâs going to lead to people just not bringing any hunters to raid.
This is the part that concerns me. I have a raid spot but if the RL really wanted to push Iâd be on the bench, and I wouldnât blame him. We really donât bring anything but DPS, and thatâs currently poor to mediocre at best.
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Jeez, sounds just like another recently contentious incident related to CM Platinum timers.
Assuming what Bestest says is true, why does Blizz continue to use third party sites to discuss proprietary game information?
And regarding the reason given: what would be so bad about making hunters better for the âmid tierâ raiders? Are the developers - err, I mean the â95%â club - afraid that âmid-tierâ raiders might also get loot? Pixels that will eventually be meaningless in the next phase as ILVL increases again?
Please note, everyone, the call is coming from inside the house, with respect to gatekeeping!
Yep, itâs important to realize that this is the best hunters will be all phase, and itâs already bad. Once the meta gem comes out, the gap will widen even further.
Zirene is such a dweebDude loves the smell of his own gas waay too much.
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Yeah. For years, iâve been saying that Bliz needs to stop basing everything on what the sweatlords do. When they design a game that only the top 10% find fun, everyone else leaves.
Look at Wildstar. That game was made by former WoW devs that thought WoW was âtoo casualâ so they turned it up to 11⌠and the game went under.
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You really think bottom 95% of people will select care if hunters dont do well on WCL?
Most people cant even play their spec. What you see on Warcraft Logs is good players playing their specs well. Hunters are easy to play.. there isnt much to min-max. They are completely op because they can do all of their damage while moving and doing all mechanics etc.
They should buff the physical DPS meta gem though, casters will overtake anyone with the free Bloodlust.
Your condescending attitude aside, this paragraph supports the need for hunters to receive a buff.
Youâre right, WCL shows good players and they are at or near the bottom of the DPS list; a buff is needed.
Youâre also right that hunter are mobile, thus being able to move and DPS, but even so, at or near the bottom of the DPS list; a buff is needed.
By the way, none of the classes are particularly difficult to play.
Difficult is relative. Compared to a feral druid hunter is a joke. Although I agree that nothing is really hard in MoP.
I dont really see where I am condescending tbh, its just the truth. Most players dont play optimally. But its way easier to do so with hunter.
Lets put aside if I think they should be buffed or not: if a class has something going for it other than dps it cant also be the best dpser.
Imagine heals doing competitive dps its the same thing. They can heal so their power budget is on healing. Hunters can do whatever they want all the time so specs that cant need to do more damage than them.
Thank you for your measured response.
I mostly agree with your quote above (although I canât help but glance at tank DPS, rogues, mages, shamans). Hunters are extraordinarily mobile and can run around and do stuff that other classes might struggle more with. With that said, Iâm certainly not espousing hunters be top DPS, but nor do I think they should hover at or near the bottom. They still are a pure DPS class and should be able to deliver better DPS than they currently are.
Ignore the buffoon calling the class with all 3 of its specs dead last âcompletely op.â Itâs trolling at best. Full mobility is so vastly overrated, especially when you consider that specs like aff, fire, and ele are also very mobile.
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I really hate a lot of the balancing theyâve done. Itâs not really MoP anymore. Itâs just retail lite these days. Buffs are fine, but nerfs are dumb.
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Todayâs Wowhead review puts hunters 21st, 22nd, and 23rd, SV, MM, and BM respectively. There are 23 specs, and one class occupies the bottom three in terms of DPS, which, by the way, is what hunters are supposed to primarily be doing. Mobile? Yes. Hits like a wet noodle? Check that box too.
in the 25(!) years Iâve played this class, we have never been in this poor a shape. Throughout the years weâve been top end to middling, with one spec typically being somewhat higher than the other two. Iâm not in any way suggesting hunters should be first, but surely Blizz intends that we bring more than just a pretty face (speaking for myself) to our raids.
The removal of the ExShot debuff just hasnât been enough, and as gear continues to improve our lack of scaling is just going to make it worse. Iâve heard the argument that highly skilled players are still able to perform quite well, and thatâs great; but surely we canât have a large majority of hunters unable to provide the quality of DPS expected because a handful are doing okay.
Iâm venting. It certainly seems Blizz doesnât read this forum, so this is more just me thinking: WTH?
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Its an absolutely ridiculous situation. The game feels abandoned after the constant promises for continuous class balancing; certain classes which are already top tier are going to be even more powerful in the coming week(s) due to the caster haste meta gem becoming available and others, such as hunters, will continue to fall further down the dps ladder. Hunter tier bonuses are abhorrent and the class itself scales poorly compared to others in general.
Its even more infuriating due to the reasoning by Zirene, who I am guessing is a dev of sorts? and to quote âA class like Hunter that has diminishing returns on skill expression, is in a spot where it is much harder to give them what they need for the top level, without creating a monster in the middle levelâ.
So basically âwe canât be bothered to properly balance the Hunter class because it may become too strong in an average raid group so weâll let it be bottom of the barrel insteadâ.
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