Bring Twink Queues Back

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

@Welfarê-silvermoon

And this is what you want removed because they are too hard to deal with?

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/wyrmrest-accord/Lohtaan

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Not to mention, the two armories are almost identical except one is enhance shaman the other is fury warrior…

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Another, Enhance shaman at low levels.
We have seen this before, once again it is a Spec issue.
Good thing they haven’t nerfed Elemental Force, right?

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

Show me some shots of your dmg meter in a BG where you pwn levelers, that will be the easiest to visualize

Highest damage on my 80 boomkin

https://imgur.com/uU432QL

That’s roughly 30k higher than that DK leveler from the other screen shot I provided. You can see Recount in the bottom corner. My DPS is similar to most everyone else (that Paladin’s DPS is pretty high, but he was an orb carrier), but of course, DPS and Damage doesn’t secure a win.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Happy mage in that one.

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

You can do this with any Dungeon or Quest items, the information is on Wowhead for everyone to observe.

Show me your numbers.

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

Highest damage on my 80 boomkin

I mean for individual abilities…show me those compared to BoA’s

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Show me

show me

Say it again.

8.1.5 Coming soon, it is a good time to prepare yourself on the PTR or even Wowhead.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Considering his highest damage as a twink, in Temple mind you, is not much higher than my highest damage… I’d say twinks aren’t that much different than someone in heirlooms who updated their gear.

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

Heals:

https://imgur.com/dTCwgFs

Damage:

https://imgur.com/LCSwhz2

Things of note, damage is a collection of 3 specs, and over several months. Now, let’s see those screen shots of yours.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

This is one old one, where we discovered some valuable comparisons, Same character same spec.

Elemental Force is grossly overtuned

After doing a BG with the OP, I can say that their damage is indeed 25% or better. However, I also can say, without trying to be insulting that your other damage is quite low https://imgur.com/2J6yAfw I truly mean no offense by that but something is amiss here and it seems to be the lower ilevel gear. I do know that your storm strike should be hitting a lot harder than it’s showing. This is a perfect example of why gear is important. I am more than willing to point out a few upgrades such as …

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

This is one old one, where we discovered some valuable comparisons, Same character same spec.

“We” didn’t discover anything related to this discussion in what you linked. That other toon is mine and the same one from my SS.

After doing a BG with the OP, I can say that their damage is indeed 25% or better.

That was how much dmg elemental force did for me in that BG. what does that say about anything other than that the enchant is too strong? Which is why I made that post in the first place.

I truly mean no offense by that but something is amiss here and it seems to be the lower ilevel gear.

I am not a twink, so…?

This is a perfect example of why gear is important.

So gear is important? That is exactly what I am saying lol.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

At least quote the right poster, that reads completely wrong.

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

Say it again.

Show me.

You bring nothing but screenshots of boots. Stand up and show us how balanced twink warriors are at 49 vs leveling warriors. Show how much you hit for so we can compare.

In the SS I showed, the twink did 3x the dmg of one warrior and 8x the dmg of the other. if it is skill, show me. If it is your “time played” metrics, show me.

If levelers and twinks are so close in power and you think it is good as is, then show me.

Otherwise, you are just making noise.

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

At least quote the right poster, that reads completely wrong.

ok, that was all the other guy, not you…happy?

EDIT: except the first line, that was you.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

You can edit, very easily.

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

That was how much dmg elemental force did for me in that BG. what does that say about anything other than that the enchant is too strong? Which is why I made that post in the first place.

You realize that it was doing ~159 dmg per proc. It wasn’t that the enchant is too strong as you stated, rather that your other damage is lacking. This is a class issue as I went back and deleted my 39 and made another one just so I could see what was going on.

Simply because it was making up the bulk of your damage doesn’t mean that it was / is OP. Seems like your just grasping at straws in wanting to attribute it to twinking.

In the SS I showed, the twink did 3x the dmg of one warrior and 8x the dmg of the other. if it is skill, show me. If it is your “time played” metrics, show me.

You also understand that when a warrior is “doing his thing” I or another healer is behind them “doing our thing” which in turn leads to you doing your thing, dying. As long as the warrior is up, his damage continues to pour out. You can’t simply compare damage from one player to the next simply due to the skill of the individual players involved.

I have made level 30 warriors look like a god among men with heals behind them.

[Vendorioc-wyrmrest-accord]

TIL, if anyone doesn’t like end game BFA they are just a lazy POS. There is literally no other reason that someone wouldn’t play end game.

I disagree Varamyr,

I went through some incredibly aggressive chemotherapy a year ago which left me with nerve damage, changed brain capacity (look up chemobrain), and reduced reflexes. Although I do some 120 PVP, managing the number and timing of all the skills at 120 is too much for me to physically handle most days. The action is too fast for me to process and give my best to my team. Due to that I tried xpoff at lower levels with fewer skills to manage and have found it to be enjoyable. That’s the main reason I xpoff/twink.

Am I lazy, unwilling to do endgame PVP, and sit at low level to roflstomp scrub levelers? Not at all. I’ve simply found a point in the game where I’m able to do what I enjoy, BGs, at a level I’m physically able to handle.

For some reason I’m not able to find my lowbies’ armories, so if you want to see them please look up Zinjud (19 druid) and Lucritius (29 hunter) on Wyrmrest Accord, if such things are meaningful to you. Vendorioc and Dromtar, also on WrA are my 120s and former PVP mains. Feel free to look them up as well if you wish.

~Ven

[Lastarria-emerald-dream]

Simply because it was making up the bulk of your damage doesn’t mean that it was / is OP. Seems like your just grasping at straws in wanting to attribute it to twinking.

I didn’t bring this in here, talk to kang about that. I made a thread about elemental force being too strong, if you are interested to relive all of its glory go read it.

But please continue to blame the leveler for twinks ruining their BG experience…

You can’t simply compare damage from one player to the next simply due to the skill of the individual players involved.

Sure you can, how else does anyone know what BiS gear is?

As for skill, if you find the XPoff guy in SW, are you automatically topping BG charts? When you press 2 on your keyboard you do it so skillfully that it hits for twice as much as anyone else? If you are levelling yet another alt are you automatically confused by having 2 attacks at level 30 and just auto-attack?

This seems to be the picture a lot of people defending twinking gear disparity like to paint. This and there is no disparity.

[Vendorioc-wyrmrest-accord]

Jugajr,

Just want to thank you for all of the BG documentation you’ve been doing. That’s the sort of thing we need more of around here. thumbs up

[Floyln-tichondrius (Floyln)]

Don’t ever defend why you play a certain way in the game. Especially a way Blizzard supports.

Vara was being sarcastic, making fun of their weak argument.

It’s similar to when some anti templaters claimed if you supported templates you were a botter.