I actually do fairly well vs. People who are on my level and sometimes vs twinks. Not always but sometimes. It’s all about knowing your class. Being able to hit 4 buttons doesn’t make you a good player, knowing your strengths and playing to them does. I’m not a PvP God, I lose fights, I get rolled… however I’m not making a thread about twinking because in the end it boils down to the player, playing your class, trying not to 1v1 God mode everything and playing with your team. At the end of a match your kills matter f@$# all if you lose. Learn to assist, learn how to peel, stop blaming one aspect of the game.
Gearing in PvP has always been a factor (except in legion). And what bracket we decide to play in is our choice, as each and every bracket has a different class balance to it. I don’t know why more people don’t do this. They act as though endgame is the only means of enjoying the game. They forget there are entire other expansions worth of content at lower levels with different gear combinations. Instead people want to complain about twinking and want to kill them off by putting them in a separate bracket where queue times will be hours on end (depending on bracket). Why not just put a little time aside and buy some enchants and gems to hold your own weight? You’ll find that having good gear can make your BG and class experience more enjoyable.
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Would that be able to compete with your currently unobtainable 330+ gear?
unrelated to that, nice name.
You can not blame lack of C.C. from a mage on a twink. You can’t blame lack of peeling on a twink. You can’t blame your healers focusing on dps over healing on a twink. If a healer is free healing that’s not the healers fault that’s the players fault. Polymorph, silence, stuns, cyclone, root, etc, etc or the lack there if is not a fault of a twink it’s the fault of the opposing team. Before you scream about twinks, scream about not playing your class correctly.
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Personally (for my level) I think it’s an issue on Blizzard’s part for having the gap between questing gear/heirlooms at the higher levels like 118/119 compared to entry-level dungeon gear for 120 (which mine is comparable to). I can’t say this specific build is very compete-able, but if they made heirlooms as effective as they used to be, they’d be notably stronger with better base and secondary stats, on top of Ilvl. When they nerfed them in WoD, heirlooms became weak stat-sticks, and so did many other quest/dungeon items, and it made gameplay stale. Gameplay feels slow currently while leveling because secondary stats are at an all-time low for levelers.
So yeah, I’m going to get what I can get to make my character stronger, but the availability for high end gear in the 110-119 bracket being so grindy and time-gated isn’t my problem, but more-so a problem with what blizzard makes available. At least in TBC, Wrath, Cata, Mop and WoD you had powerful boes you could buy off the AH to become instantly effective.
Thanks.
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Lower level dungeons are super easy, all mechanics can be ignored. Endgame raids and mythic+ that give gear viable for pvp have mechanics that can not be ignored and you can’t even get into groups without grinding raiderio out first. There is no comparison, it is way more easy to gear up at lower levels then endgame.
To add to this, not having enchantments such as Mark of the satyr, +stats and leg / shoulder enchantments really isn’t the fault of twinks, that’s the players problem too. Some of these issues fall purely in the area of laziness, not gear imbalance.
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My 119 twink was made after anniversary so just has 310 timewalking gear and does great, I don’t see a huge powergap against the VERY FEW twinks with anniversary gear. Even the ones with it usually are not completely decked out in it so they just have a small item level advantage over timwalking gear.
Pretty much this. The base health of a 119 player who’s leveling to 120 can be upwards of around 62-67k. With fortitude and other class buffs, they can match a timewalking geared twink. The health of a player who’s fully twinked in timewalking gear is about 70-74k. The health of a player who’s got almost full anniversary gear like mine usually maxes out at around 78-80k base health. While it’s still stronger, a good competitive team can take down a team with twinks if played right. While some twinks are actually good players, it only bolsters their gear advantage. Other twinks are not so good and can be overcome by a better player in that 62-67k range with the right CC and maneuvering.
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Is there even a downvote? All I see is the option to like. If you could find it for me and tell me where it is. I swear I won’t do anything mischievous ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
I believe he’s mistaking being downvoted for being (falsely) reported to the point of being hidden.
He might be from the last version of the forums, where too many downvotes hid posts.
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There is so much to talk about and we have yet to see one response from OP.
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I think twinks are fine and should be in with the levelers. As long as the gear they are wearing is available and obtainable by everyone. No more Gradfathered Gear.
Most complaints about twinks come from people who can’t / won’t take the time to gear themselves out. This game revolves around gear progression and that’s why Blizzard will never touch twinks. You can’t be angry at someone who takes the time to properly gear for an aspect of the game. Be it anywhere from the 10 - 120 bracket of PvP, twinking is simply gearing a character out. This entire game revolves around getting the best gear you can for whatever area you are showing interest, why should lowbie bracket PvP be any different.
When these same people get steamrolled as a level 120 in fresh leveling gear in PvP do they come back and say “Oh golly gosh, I just died in pvp, this gentlemen is entirely too overgeared, he should be in his own bracket!”? No, because he took the time, spent the money, did the work and took it upon himself to prepare for the fight he was going to take.
End game content is a prime example of gear progression being a limitation that keeps you from going any higher, why shouldn’t PvP battlegrounds in the low level brackets be any different. If you have rooty-tooty your way through a battleground with gear completely out of date and then wonder why you died, well, I mean maybe PvP isn’t the right thing you need to be doing. Maybe go do a few instances, get some more up to date gear and come back?
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You’ve got me, I secretly just hate gearing. Definitely isn’t that I think it’s unfair someone can lock level and farm BiS for a bracket and play against people who aren’t going to do the same.
(This is Mauden, before the alt arguments show up again)
Are you having issues preforming with your team on this character?
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Thus the reason I said “too complicated.”
This. There is a mute feature which has helped die down on the false alarms of people who don’t add value. I wish it worked like video blocker where the posts don’t even show up so scrolling is easier.
Yet most people who twink are too lazy to gear up at 120… just saying.
A good question.
I’ve seen you in multiple posts about twinks across this website. Seems you have a vendetta. Also same can be said the other way around about 120s. Most are too lazy to realize there are other means of enjoyment of the game rather than just endgame. They praise endgame, then suddenly condemn players for sticking with that expansion when a new one rolls out. Hypocrisy at its finest.
But you’d be surprised to see that many people who twink are very much also into endgame, and are typically high-end arena players. Not all, but a good chunk. Also twinks tend to be some of the largest of collectors of vanity such as TCG, transmog, and reputation, as they like to show-off their progress on lower level toons. The average twink pays more money to blizzard for server transfers, gold (wow tokens), faction changes, and race changes. Some of the most expensive toons with high amounts of play-time I’ve come across (and I myself) are twinks, rather than endgame players. Twinks are also more likely to stick from expansion to expansion, as they have a large variety of brackets to play if endgame isn’t so good. Looking at your profile toon, you seem to have a rather low amount of investment based on your level and achievement score. I can’t say much for the rest of your account seeing as you have your profile details hidden. Hmm… I wonder why. It can’t possibly be for you to troll on the forums without people calling you out, is it? I’d like to be wrong.
Imo twinks should be in high interest for blizzard. Might be the reason they have allowed combined brackets again. Anyone who’s being beat by a twink very much has the ability to make one of their own to face them. It’s never fun being beaten by someone who out-gears you, which is the exact case for endgame as well. Endgame is simply twinking without anywhere to level beyond. If queues are separated, then nobody will ever know about twinking in a specific bracket and will never have the benefit of tasting gameplay at its fullest rather than endgame.
The 119 community is probably the largest organised twink community in-game. Currently 600+ players in alliance community alone, and on a busy day there can be upwards of around 50 players active at a single time, with groups being easy to fill.
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Also definitely isn’t that I think it’s unfair for someone who’s endgame and just likes to queue random bgs and get crappy 330-360 gear every now and then and doesn’t like to gear up to face other people who take the time to get ilvl 400+ gear who out-weight their stats by a factor of 2/1.