You don’t like raid finder, what if I didn’t like feral? (Not saying that is my opinion, I do enjoy feral, although your incessant crying is annoying)
Clearly, this is an issue of conflicting wants on your end. You want it to be like original but you also want to remove a large feature of original.
I personally would like raid finder for alts, as, I don’t want to put a lot of effort in on casual characters, but still want some gear (not top-end, just enough to make casual play more fun). Obviously I’ll still run my main and “main alt” (This demo lock, and my holy pally) in the dedicated groups with my guild, but I would like to try other classes, like warrior, or even feral (my current experience with feral is low lvl and a little bit of 85 by playing on my dad’s account to help him with rotations) at top end / cap level.
Now, I don’t know many details about raid finder, as I was just a kid in original, but from what I heard from most players that have talked about, is that a core problem of raid finder was a few specific items being able to be obtained, and that an easy fix would be to just remove them from the pool.
LFR was not a large feature it was for 1 raid and was actually a large failure.
The most significant issue with LFR wasn’t just a few specific items; it was the player base itself. The players who will engage in LFR this time are likely to be much worse than those from the original Cataclysm. Have you attempted to join RDF for heroics recently? Those individuals are the ones you’ll encounter in LFR. If they can’t clear normal heroics, what makes you think they’re going to clear LFR? Or the individuals who join in large groups to roll ‘need’ on loot for their friend. This was a significant issue in the past. People participated in LFR primarily to acquire tier items and to roll ‘need’ on tier items for their guild members or friends. This issue was widespread during the initial Cataclysm release; do you not think it wont be worse this time?
I’d say 6 months of an expac (correct me if I’m wrong, I believe dragon soul was that long) is enough time to say that a feature introduced is a major feature. Maybe that’s just me.
Then don’t run it on your mains or characters you’re serious about? I don’t see the issue here.
Tier gear, and I think trinkets(?) were the pieces of gear I was talking about. A lot of people I’ve heard talk about it have said if those were removed from the pool, they’d be fine with it.
It was worse for dungeon finder, I expect it to be worse for raid finder, yes. However, like I said, I personally at least, would just be using it to try out new alts where I don’t have a dedicated raid group. If they did what is mentioned above, I believe it would probably be used like that by the majority of players that use it, or casual players like my father. I really don’t see the issue here.
Dragon Soul debuted in November 2011, while Mists of Pandaria was introduced in September 2012. Consequently, Dragon Soul was accessible for 43 weeks prior to the release of Mists of Pandaria. Nonetheless, the duration of its availability does not inherently indicate it as a large feature.
Of all of what I said, you focus on that? For one, you’ve defined 1 month as 4 weeks before. 43 is almost 11 months according to that metric (almost twice what I thought). I believe that 1 or 2 months shy of a year of a feature makes it a large feature. I mean, how long did WotLK classic as a whole last? How long is Cata classic going to last as a whole?
Tbh, this point you’re choosing to argue is just a matter of personal opinions. Please address something else, or this convo is basically just over.
The same argument can be applied to Heroic+ dungeons. Did Cataclysm have Heroic+ dungeons? No. Should Cataclysm Classic include Heroic dungeons? Absolutely not!
I created a list detailing why LFR might be more problematic this time, but it appears that the youngster is unable to understand or grasp the information provided.
But… how ? If memory serves, Raid Finder maxed out at a certain iLvl for drops. If you wanted better gear drops, you had to form a group and enter the raid outside of LFR.
By creating the need to progress to a level where you get invited to groups. This was covered above.
you want to join groups. so you get good. so you get invited.
This literally means that LFR was not an actual problem… The two are completely separate.
In terms of what, exactly? Skill level? Toxicity?
I’ve joined MANY heroics through RDF - none of which were left uncompleted. Sure, some players were lower on the DPS meters than others, but it eventually got finished.
If players are finding heroics difficult, it means they are in the right place for gearing.
Sure, but that can still happen in heroics. Also, can you not trade drops from raids?
Acquiring tier items isn’t bad… And I don’t think I’d say the primary reason for players participated in LFR was to steal loot from other people. They used LFR because it was convenient, especially for those with crummy schedules.
I don’t think you understand what your questions mean, given its structure. I’ll assume you’re asking if people believe it’ll be any better this time around:
It might be, and it might not be. No one has any idea of what iLvl gear would drop from these raids. With 359 gear being available to purchase from the AH, if they dropped anything below that, it would be less desirable to run them/need on loot.
The funny bit is truly no lfr wow would have some potential new issues.
Gkdp rants will die ( to group forced later, no more ML). Huzzah. Replaced with carry rants, worse than retail.
See to me LFR keeps honest people honest. Game feature/item needs raid run 1 time. LFR counts. One run and done. its not even mattering if loot is won. Its to make the quest giver happy.
So people like me did that. Ran LFR, not pay for carry.
remove lfr, as heroic gets edgier. as mythic comes…well mythic crews worked out long ago how to pay for all their consumes.
they can take 6+ dead weights easy in normal. Cheap prices too. Priced to sell slots.
I cannot lie. In a hopefullly legion classic if it lacked lfr…I’d pay to carry my 2 emerald nightmare runs. at say 20K a run…sure. I’d burn at least half that on consumes, crafing, etc for real runs.
Or jsut pay the mythic crew who made 6 slots. and be done in 2 weeks.
No RMT. I got plans for wod and legion tables lol. Alt addiction pays off later in wow.
There are a few things that compound issues with LFR.
LFR drops regardless of ilvl provided powerful gear such as tier sets (account for 5% to 10% of total dps increase for some).
LFR trinkets despite being lower ilvl were absolutely amazing over even heroic firelands trinkets, and as such caused even raiders to try to get them.
LFR was designed to be easy, and as such the average and below player saw no need to improve their performance and opted to get carried majority of the time, why should they bother trying when someone can carry them and they can win free loot.
LFR atmosphere was severely toxic, and antisocial, there is no need to try and find groups for LFR, it just queues you in, you don’t interact at the start or during.
These things got worse over time with LFR and in the end caused more harm to the overall community and gameplay of WoW than good.
This is my perspective and opinions based on actual OG Cataclysm, at the time I was raiding at the heroic level, but I participated in all aspects of the game.