Side question, but why do you keep putting balls at the end of random sentences? Is it supposed to be cute?
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Maybe not everyone tries to sexualise everything.
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Which is why not every group should be forced to use the same loot system. It would be ludicrous to think 1 loot system could suit everyones needs in a game this big. People should be able to choose for themselves if it works for them.
We use rc lot counsel in mine and everyone droptimizers themselves to establish how big the upgrades are for them and the upgrades go to where they will be the most benefit to the raid.
If it works for RC loot counsel it will work for ML too. There isnt a good reason why my guild shouldn’t have the choice to be able to do that.
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If there’s animosity toward your loot council, that too is misplaced and the person has fundamental cognitive problems.
Personal loot is great at screwing people out of loot in a way that doesn’t have to happen under master looter.
The end result is more less the same.
Of course guilds will use the loot rules to boost the meta. Certain spec and gear combinations will perform disproportionately higher than everything else. So a guild will just take the path of least resistance. As we all do.
That trickles down until the majority of pugs listing for normal will specify that they require more of said spec and stricter gear requirements.
You could always form your own group, but when the community is trained to do things the optimal way, forming your own group probably won’t yield much success.
I never thought i would see people keep raging against the machine when the machine has offered a better solution that fixes all issues, Then again i never thought i would see an argument about loot distribution devolve into LGBT politics let alone both in the same thread.
Pretty sure this one is well and truly derailed now.
You can also have all of that without the return of ML (Which has negative consequences) and simply bringing in no trading restrictions with personal loot (Which is the primary complaint against personal loot)
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Horse pucky.
The idle fence sitters did not allow anything. Nor were those against ML given authority by fence sitters or Blizzard.
Blizzard did this. Of their own accord. For their purposes. People seem to forget that.
I and others who see ML as bad for the game agreed with their decision. But we didn’t make it.
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Yea I would be happy with that too. I just get sick of typing ML/PL with no loot trading restrictions. so i just write ML now because they are almost the same thing.
What I would like to have happen is slight modification to the likihood of certain drops so we are less likely to get 4 neck pieces all drop at once though.
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Except not everyone has that option.
Until it is too late.
During the time of Master Looter, were there only a select few people who had the option to run a raid?
Last I checked, and what I lived through, tells me that every account in the game has a button that allows them to “convert to raid”.
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Saying things so factually inaccurate doesn’t do you any favors.
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Do they also know that ever since I can remember, you could see the loot distribution method in the raid options as soon as you were invited. Almost as if you would know what the loot rules were, before you jumped through the raid portal.
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Apparently not. Idk why they want to force everyone to play the way they want to rather than just letting other people, who they have no intention of actually playing with btw, play how they want to.
Its the epitome of selfishness.
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Blizzard will let alot of things slide but they do not tolerate people playing “the game wrong” and they like the fact personal loot drags out the gearing process longer.
I actually like personal loot but if anyone thinks masterloot is gone for any reason other than to drag out the gearing process for guilds (like making it more “fair”) they are wrong.
There is a place in this game for personal and master loot.
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So you assume every new player who plays WoW isn’t going to be taken advantage by someone using ML?
I like this game too,
So you assume that every new World of Warcraft player is so stupid they can’t read text in the game?
So you assume that its the right of all players in the game to take advantage of every new player that exists?
That’s what you are saying, in my words, right?
No. Stop putting words in other people’s mouths.
Not to mention, not sure if you know this, people who raid are all level capped. All of them have done something in the game to earn gear up to that point. All of these “new” players have every resource available to them as you and I have.
You want to see a game that takes advantage of new players, go play EvE online for 5 minutes. Not only is it not against the rules, it happens frequently enough that people make an in game living off of it.
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You’d have a point if it didn’t happen in WoW.
History shows you’re wrong. If I went and made a new thread I’d wager more then a few players would have horror stories to share.
Lets do an easy one then, history buff.
The game survived just fine for more then 10 years with Master Looter as the primary, if not exclusive loot distribution method for raids.
The last 5-6 years have been waning subscriber numbers and loss of veteran knowledgeable players. One of the changes made in this downfall was the change to loot distribution.
All anecdotal evidence, is still anecdotal. It doesn’t prove a major flaw with the Master Looter system. All it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt is that the forums are full of people who complain about any and everything. This isn’t a new concept.
All in all, as superb as this discussion has been, Master Looter isn’t coming back, at least not because of a single thread. No where has Blizzard stated that they are thinking of changing the game back to a system where both loot methods exist.
The only reason there are people in here debating this topic as it stands is because the points brought up as to why Master Looter wasn’t the big bad boogie man you think it was, are correct in their assessments. It scares you that logically it could happen some day, and you don’t like it.
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I think that sounds rather bias, considering the current state of the game.
Not with the way Blizzard does business these days.
The state of the game right now is terrible.
When the content drought hit a few months back, Final Fantasy 14 literally had to stop people from buying their game. I have been around a while, and I have never once seen a company literally tell people “we don’t want your money right now”.
The faction balance is so bad that Blizzard has now considered cross faction raiding. This wasn’t an issue last when…oh when was it…oh ya, when Master Looter existed. Again, probably not the only reason these things have come to pass, but definitely part of the problem.
Just spit-balling, even if Blizzard came out with some big anouncement that “We are bringing back Master Looter like you’ve never seen it before, before, before!”
It will be some garbage amalgamation of the worst aspects of Master Looter and the worst aspects of Personal Loot. Then they will tell everyone that its great, and if they don’t like it they are stupid. Blizzard will always be Blizzard. Well, at least until its Microsoft.
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