It is. for you and your group. Which is totally fine, for your group. My guild doesn’t want the restrictions and since we all don’t want the restrictions we shouldn’t have to have them.
There is no reason why 1 loot system should be expected to serve the million/s of players in the game.
They have multiple raid difficulties now because they recognize that not everyone wants to play the game the same. Why cant they do the same with loot systems?
The loot system is fine. If you don’t get your piece, go back in the next week like everyone else and try for it again.
This is all about controlling the game for others. You want to control the loot and who gets the loot. It doesn’t matter if they don’t have the loot, you believe you deserve their loot.
You can say its for that if you like but that doesn’t make it true. I’m not explaining it again since I already have at least 3 times. Feel free to read the thread you are posting in. Its usually recommended on forums.
But you do have the choice to not play the game and no PL fan has forced you to play the game.
You choose to play the game and continue to cry about it.
And i dont think there are many Pro PL players here everyone knows that PL has its flaws there are only Anti ML players cause ML system by its self is not a bad concept but just causes alot more damage than it does good.
Whenever this point is set in front of this elitist avelpally with 3k io says-
And that the point is the game shouldnt revolve around your own little bubble the hypocrisy of him calling others selfish when he want others to play the game the way his own little bubble plays the game.
Agreed, PLNR is the best solution.
But hard disagree, I don’t believe anybody who doesn’t want to abuse the system in their favor thinks that PLNR is worse than ML. Except perhaps in the regard that rings, necks and cloaks need to drop a fair bit less frequently.
Also since Blizzard will never give us PLNR, asking for Guild Master Loot or Master Loot is the next best thing.
Why will they never give us PLNR? Because they don’t want the RWF to become even more degenerate. And that’s something I consider incredibly stupid from their behalf, designing their entire game around the 0.1%
Less items going to waste. My ele shaman will delete a high mastery low haste ring. Other classes would love a high mastery low haste ring. If my ele shaman can’t trade said ring, it will get sold to a vendor.
Higher chances for more impactful items and lower chances for less impactful items.
Rings and necklaces are generally low impact items, given how there’s no main stat on them. Those, as well as cloaks, drop a lot more often with PL compared to ML, given how they’re in everybodies loot table while items such as bows or agi daggers are only in one class / specs loot table.
Better gear progression for guilds who make good use of it. A disc priests 2 and 4 set bonus is the biggest pile of garbage in the world. A holy paladins 2 and 4 set bonus is incredibly strong. Giving the disc priest their 2 / 4 set bonus before the paladin is, from a guild progressions point of view, objectively wrong. With PL, we have no control over who gets what first. With ML, we do have a fair bit more control over it.
Can you supply a valid reason other than “people will get scammed” against ML?
And more importantly, can you supply a valid reason against PL without trade restrictions?
Technically from a looting perspective both personal loot with no restrictions and master loot suffer the same flaw that they are rng dependent.
The ideal loot system is deterministic so either bosses drop X materials used to craft raid level loot and the guild targets crafting on specific players first (more of a master loot approach) or for a more pug friendly option tokens.
You can then choose what loot you want and target gear towards it.
Raid loggers: There’s far too much drama over tier sets.
Also Raid loggers: whine for 2200 posts about the inability to take Bobs boots.
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I know I have already stated players want to get their loot more efficiently so that means greed is the only reason put forth.
I was scammed a few times and created tickets so why would I need another reason?
I never talked about PL trade restrictions. Although, the statistics shown before actually showed there really wasn’t a slow down with loot acquisition with PL vs ML. Sure you get a few untradeable loots at the beginning of the raid tier, but it isn’t that big of a deal especially due to M+.
Based on all evidence provided by Blizzard, they intentionally want to slow down loot distribution at the start of a raid tier. I also believe that a single loot system is better for the health of the game.
Yeah I figured there’d be very little point in actually providing an answer to your question.
“Hey, I’d like this question answered!” - “Here’s answers.” - “Well I don’t agree with these answers so I’ll disregard them!”
If you’re not interested in having a civil discussion and will disregard every point the opposition makes by putting it down as “greed” or similar, you won’t get far in any conversation.
In theory.
I want to live in Theory. Everything works there.
Sorry, I gave valid points if you don’t like them and deflect then you don’t have any interest in a civil discussion. It is cool you get this a lot from ML supporters.
You are upset that they are designing the game to stop the 0.1% but want a system ML which will help those 0.1% + another 20-30% player base, completely disregarding the other 70-80% of the casual player base just for your convenience.
This CON of PL does not out weigh the problems that ML had and if you are such a strong advocate ML you must’ve atleast heard if not seen these problems.
The problem with GDKP and DKP systems and how they completely destroy the progress of new players by gatekeeping the items that they also should have a fair chance to and no one should decide that if they get or do not get an item which dropped in a boss fight they took part in and if that happens newer player or casual player will turn their back from raiding and there will only be elitists raiding, its like get gud or buzz off.
Coming back to your less items going to waste you are worried that less items will go to waste but you know as well as the last Pro ML player that after 1 months time these loot restrictions are eased.
Its just a matter of convenience why you want ML and lack of patience.
You dont need a better reason than this.
You pro ML players need to stop yapping and demanding like you are owed something cause you play the game for more hours and at a higher lvl. you paid the 6months sub and i also paid the 6 months sub you played 100 hours i played 20 hours do u think blizzard cares you played 80 hours more? does that give you the entitlement to demand your ML.
NO.
You need to understand that ML was removed and the Anti ML players won and made their arguments and gave their valid reason.
You need to give a valid reason and not ask us Anti ML players for a valid reason and bring back ML for my convenience is not a valid reason.
Your guild isn’t even a top 500 guild, what is master loot going to do for you? I don’t even mean that as a slight, but you aren’t even in a really competitive guild in the first place.
I think it is the obvious implication that PL will go by the wayside if ML comes back and is allowed in all areas of the game…kinda like you are already asking for.
No, we are asking for it to come back with a requirement that ensures all active parties agree to using it.
It wouldn’t even affect pugs. Because if you agree to it then still do it, it’s your fault.
I mainly want PLNR, which I don’t see disregarding the other 70-80%. GML would be the next best thing and ML existing would be third in line.
Also I don’t see how any of those disregard the other 70-80%, given how PL would obviously still be an option.
How can more options be bad?
One con of PL doesn’t outweigh the problems ML had (people getting scammed), okay. What about the other two cons I’ve listed?
Agreed, GDKP and DKP are garbage systems.
Again, I’m mainly an advocate of GML and PLNR, I don’t need ML in pugs, in fact, in WoD I avoided the ML pugs like the plague, because they were enabling the worst behavior I’ve seen in a while.
First of all, the “You XYZ” is an incredibly dangerous mindset. “Us against them!” A herdmindset.
Unhealthy for society as a whole.
You should at least try to get rid of it and think of every person as an individual, not as part of a collective.
And second, why are the opinions of people who want more options worth less than those who want to force a singular option that they prefer onto others?
The thing you’re criticizing is exactly the thing you’re practicing.
I’ve posted several. You’ve ignored all those but one. And the one you’ve not ignored you tried to twist into “bring back ML for my convenience”, when in reality it was “I don’t want to be unable to trade items I don’t need.”
And we are giving you the foresight you lack by letting you know how this will turn out.
It can’t turn out any other way since you have TO AGREE TO USE IT.
If you agree after that then you are deserve it.
There is no foresight to be had.
And most people don’t agree to bringing it back. Done. Simple. Thanks.
You quite literally can not prove that statement.
Logistical fallacy is always appealing to those who can’t actually properly argue.