Yeah I was about to say this. I just unlocked old Scholomance today and it’s fun going back into the old version. The tech is there so I could see them adding more.
For the record I’d have no problem with Atiesh or Ashbringer being made available again.
I getcha. Remember that Blizz was making up things as they went along, I don’t think they really planned for some things to be phased out - they just kind of did and didn’t think it was important at the time.
And I don’t think there’s any putting that genie back in the bottle; people find the items prestigious, and Blizzard has already provided players alternative methods of acquisition for those items (BMAH and the recent crafting pathway) as a compromise - I think it’s a pretty good one. It’d be immensely unfair for the players who’ve spent all that gold and time acquiring these things through current methods.
But…I think unprestigious recolors aren’t off the table. I know you didn’t like mustard yellow, but what about puce?
They are right though.
What would re-adding Naxx accomplish? Recolours exist for a few of the weapons and tokens exist which can be grinded for that gives the T3 mogs.
The “pixels” that were mentioned were rewards for playing during that time. If you were hardcore raider back in Naxx, getting these items were rewarded after quests/drops. Bringing them back would accomplish what?
Just becuase you pkay now doesnt mea youre entitled to the rewards of those that played then.
It is just as Bloomsday say. Not sure whether they said it in good faith or bad faith, but they are correct nevertheless. A more explicit explanation can be found below:
You can like it or not, but this is a moot point. Those items are exclusive to those who played at the time.
No, the only toxic attitude here is the fact that you and others who argue in bad faith trying to dictate that you have an entitlement to the less than 1% of items not available in the game, when you still have easily over 99% more items that are available to you in-game.
Like it or not, but you are the only being toxic trying to proclaim entitlement to things just because of the magpie mentality of “ooooh… shiny!”
I miss the OG Shadowfang Keep, I would be so happy to be able to walk through there for nostalgia sake.
Nobody is saying they’re entitled to it. Nice assumption there. Clearly you jumped in towards the end, so you can jump back out and I won’t really notice the difference.
You are. Otherwise you wouldn’t have made this thread.
Doesn’t change whichever way you wanna put it though, as it has been clearly stated by Ion that this is the stance they have. One that is both logical and consistent with what most people care about, because the vast majority of people per logical definition can’t care about something they have no ‘desire’ for. Or to phrase it differently and bring it full circle …
Feel entitled to.
People keep using the word “prestigious” a lot. Here’s what it means:
“inspiring respect and admiration; having high status.”
That applies to nothing in WoW. It’s a game. This game, unless you’re paid to play, means nothing IRL. It’s just something to do to make you feel good. It’s a form of entertainment.
Things have changed in WoW a lot. Attitudes have also changed. Back when WoW was MUCH SMALLER, people knew who everyone was. That’s all gone now. There’s a few named from back then, but they mostly just complain about the game now.
What’s the point of putting in items that are going to never be seen again? Why have them? There’s nothing special about them.
The argument fails as to not to put things back, when they keep other similar things in the game. The only reason certain things were removed was because they updated content around said item(s).
Things that should return and were removed:
-Old Naxx and items within. Naxx was moved bc of WotLK, but if it wasn’t WotLK, nothing would have changed just like Sulfuras, TF, or some stuff in BC
-Old ZG - Only changed bc of Cata. No reason to not have a special version of it
-Old ZA - Same as above, but make the OG bear a rare drop
-Other old updated dungeons - Side portal/entrance just like the scholo/SM udpates
-Black/Plagued Protos - Removed for no reason, but not put back when other things, harder to achieve, were kept in. That was a mistake, but they stubbornly chose to keep them out. It was spiteful
-Trial of the Grand Crusader - Mounts & mog are gone for good. The mog should have found its way back by now, but you can’t get the horde cloak. The mounts should be a rare drop. You could also make this a Timewalking thing
-Scarab Lord - Hundreds, maybe a couple thousand did this questline before it was gone. They added a trash feat of strength for it. But there is nothing special about it, if you did it post content. A number of gates were opened on new servers post BC, so how are those special? EU WoW had an event for their final server with closed gates, but the problems that plagued US Blizzard prevented the final server with closed gates on the US side, to have an event.
Some of these things you can’t fully obtain anymore due to changes in the world. However, some adjustments can be made. There are many players who would gladly work to obtain them again.
The attitude to “not bring them back” isn’t healthy for a community. If they are claiming it’s for “a time past” then that just falls under elitism. That WoW is gone. It doesn’t hurt anyone to bring them back, and just make people happy. MOST players will not bother farming. It would be like less than 1% who do.
But I would rather have that than have it never be seen again.
Nice assumption, but you are wrong. Did I say “i want” anywhere? Nope. Most of the things I’ve posted about, I’ve completed in one way or another. But these things pretty much don’t exist because they’re so rare. Prestige is not a thing. People just like doing and seeing old content. Whether it’s at content or later, it’s still earning it in some respect.
Players could get Scarab Lord back in Vanilla and “earn” it. Players could also get Scarab Lord in BC/WotLK, while the gates were still shut, on new servers, and still “earn it”. The method of earning is not the same as clearly you could out-level the content. By WotLK, the bugs weren’t elites and easy to farm. So you’re going to tell me that folks like Ion say that it’s equally special when a player in Vanilla got the mount/title and then another player in WotLK also got it because they started on a fresh server with closed gates?
If you say that those are the same, then you have zero credibility. It was a joke to get it post Vanilla, but it was still fun to earn as you had to do A LOT to get it done. It took dedication and patience at the least.
I’m not the biggest fan of Ion because he’s from days when Blizzard GMs would run around in game and kill players, or play active roles. I mean, WoW started as a group of friends with similar interests wanting to make something cool they’d all enjoy, and also see if they could get others involved. That’s how many games start in starter companies. Only, while the game was “their” game, it grew. However, how they saw the game did not evolve, so they were protecting how they felt the game was vs how to make it enjoyable for the majority of the playerbase.
When it comes down to it, most players don’t want things to be gone. They can all talk up a storm saying “leave it gone or special” but that’s either to jump on the bandwagon, or because they already have it. Ion is a relic of Vanilla WoW and the game has changed in directions that he has had to accept because it wasn’t the path envisioned back in 2004.
I farmed weekly with my guild for the Amani War Bear. We got many of them. I was glad I got it, but not once did I think it should be removed so others couldn’t get it. At the most, make it a super rare drop. Completely fair. Most of us fly anyway, so it’s not common to see it. If you got it (not sure if you did or not then), I would be happy for you. I wouldn’t say “Oh the value of mine is less now because some new guy/gal has it”.
Just like in that horrible game Pokemon GO, people farmed hard to get a shiny Gible. Then suddenly Gible had a community so everyone could get a shiny. All the people prior were “mine has less value now”. No, the value was always 0, get over it. That’s no difference than items in WoW.
The only counter argument is PvP stuff. You earn the thing within their seasons based on the gear but mostly the builds at the time. You can’t easily go back to the older builds without changing the game.
However, stuff that’s PvE, no point in removing it. Leave it in, just change the method of obtaining it.
Another example is ZG Tiger/Raptor. I wasn’t better than someone for getting them back when I got them both. A player who wastes 10M gold on the BMAH for the Tiger did more than I would do for any mount, but the value is the same. Personal value is just that; personal.
When it comes down to it, Ion and whoever’s left, don’t want to change their minds, and it’s simply because “I said so”. That’s it. As I said, if Naxx wasn’t moved to Northrend, this thread wouldn’t be here. How do I know that? Thunderfury & Sulfuras were left alone and were still as “valuable” as Atiesh or a non-legendary 2h sword (Ashbringer).
Also, you’re telling me that Blizzard, mostly Ion and whoever’s left, wanted cool content in the game, but also didn’t want everyone to see it? The Corrupted Ashbringer had a mini-event if you went into Scarlet Monastery. Why put time and work into that for less than 0% to enjoy it?
There is no entitlement, you’re just saying that when I don’t know if you fully understand the meaning of the word. Atiesh isn’t even something I’d want to xmog. I just enjoy the farm. My getting T3 now, or via BMAH isn’t special like getting it back in the day. But there is no value to either method.
Most players, not the ones who Ion and whoever listen to, are top players. They don’t listen to the average player, so that argument is not the majority opinion. It’s just a way to hold on to their “we want to hold on to what the game was when we made it” instead of letting everyone enjoy it, no matter when they did it.
As I said, I have stuff that’s gone from BC. I would not care at all if someone got an Amani War Bear today. It’s a cool bear. I’d be happy for them. I’m also not an elitist though.
But probably shouldn’t assume things let alone post videos where people talk. That’s just a video and people can say what they want then later come around and “we have listened to your feedback and now we agree with you after much consideration”. Blizzard has changed numerous times, and come up with “reasons” to make it reflect the popular opinion.
I would not be shocked if Vanilla Naxx came back, even if they go out of their way to remove certain items out of spite. Even with the stuff they did to Naxx recently, MOST players didn’t bother because honestly that farm is so annoying for all the things to craft the gear.
I already linked it before so I will just link it again. This is the answer; everyone knows it is just 1s and 0s, no one thinks otherwise. What people value are the memories ‘of being there at the time’ and these items personify aspects of these things.
First of all, you actually did say that. But that’s for a bit later.
You can do the content without getting the items. If you don’t care for the items rarity and just want the experience then… none of this matters.
The only thing that can explain everything you are talking about here is entitlement. Whether it is towards some weird idea of equating an experience of participating in it years and years ago, when you can’t get it. Or you literally just want stuff from there because you want to get the less than 1% of stuff you can’t get.
“I would just want to have it.”
That’s the point. You didn’t play back then, so you can’t have it. The same thing for everyone else.
Nor is anyone else who wants to keep items as they are. Because people know that it isn’t the “exclusive” nature of the items that matter to most, but the memories. Memories that 100% was part of being there when they were available and current content, which per necessity makes the ‘exclusiveness’ a symptomatic aspect of these personified memories.
This is why most items stay in the game but the ones that do get removed also have amazing stories attached to them. In essence, you want to remove the stories because… “you just want it.”
And yet I DID play WoW back then. Vanilla Naxx was up until the end of BC. The last US server to have AQ gates closed was Borean Tundra and the gates were opened March 27, 2009. I was playing back then.
But people like you, that seemingly skim through and quote only what’s relevant to them skip those parts.
No need to spam post the video. One time was more than enough. I do not believe the speaker to be honest or genuine from what I know about them personally. So when they speak, it’s simply words with no actual sincerity behind them.
I’m sure you have better things to do than to annoy people on a post because you don’t want people to enjoy the game.
Regardless, your logic quoting someone who doesn’t care about the average player, fails, because if Blizzard cared about these things, Vanilla Naxx or AQ gates, they’d have taken away what they had while the content was done being current.
They don’t actually care. They don’t actually care about rarity. You could get Atiesh at level 70. You could get Scarab Lord at 80. Clearly Blizzard did NOT CARE.
The only thing they did care about was being spiteful when it came to Borean Tundra, and they rushed the war effort to piss off hundreds of people. I doubt 1/4th of the 32 players that were part of the last event on March 27, 2009 are still playing.
So, please derail someone else’s post. Seems that’s what you enjoy doing just because you get joy out of making others miserable.
UBRS would be interesting as originally it was tuned to be a 10 man raid. Then cata came out and tuned it down to a 5 man.
So which version would it be? (It doesn’t really matter, the only difference would be the bosses having ?? (boss) or 32 as their levels).
No, your thought process is wrong lmfao I’m wheezing.
There’s extremely rare and then there’s non existent.
Does it get more people to play more now? If it does, then it’s probably worth it. I don’t think people who started in Legion or whatever are that impressed with prestige items from 2007. The people who still play from 2007 might be impressed.
Most certainly not. With the reintroduction of items from Naxx and Scholomance that were reintroduced, then that would’ve needed to noticeably increase the number of players in-game.
Which it didn’t.
Folks love to pretend old stuff in WoW matters when in reality … the number of people who would’ve actually cared about this stuff enough where they would play the game for it, that weren’t already playing, is… likely less than a bakers dussin. It is the same reason why folks who have been playing the game for a long time think Arthas is really cool and definitely a selling point … when most folks who are new to the game just goes “who?” and promptly cease to care about Arthas.
No one legitimately cares. The only folks who do care are folks who think “it would be cool to have” which, for sure. But then one should be honest about that, but folks don’t want to be because that’s just saying “my entitlement is my argument for it to be reintroduced to the game”.
This is why I bring up entitlement in all threads like these, because there’s genuinely exceedingly rare when someone’s argument doesn’t boil down to some feeling of entitlement towards either an item or an experience no longer available.
Not the people and their pixels. 
UBRS was still the same in Cata though aside from numbers adjustments. UBRS was removed in WoD and replaced with the current version we have in the game.
Tbh I kind of want them kept gone because it’s entertaining to read whine threads every now and then from OCD collectors who shout that pixels don’t matter (despite obsessively collecting them).
Thoguht they brought back Old Naxx with the portal being in eastern plaguelands as well or is that something different bc you can do stuff and buy old Naxx items from the vendor inside
Im Sure with Love is in the air event we will get a Key or item for some other old content unlock quest line hopefully
Thanks captain. Couldn’t have found the obvious without you. If only you read the second half of that post.
Nah it is still wrath naxx just with some extra bits. Once you are attuned it does not matter if you use the crystal in Eastern Plaguelands or the actual raid entrance in Dragonblight.