Bring back 5mans

[Dantëu-sargeras]

@Puregamefuel-illidan

The problem is there is such a large disparity in player skill these days.

I join pugs for keys from time to time, in the +6-9 range players don’t interrupt, dispel, stun, use CC, they generally just mindlessly DPS and ignore mechanics. They don’t care to learn or even know how to learn what different abilities do.

That’s when they need to learn how to play their classes and use their abilities wouldn’t you say?

@Puregamefuel-illidan

Compare that to top players learning a new dungeon. You get hit with a debuff, you are reading what it does, can I interrupt it, stun it? sheep it, knockback? Does it have a max range? How does it pick who it goes on? Is it the closest target? Does it prioritize ranged players?

I’m not a top player and im always reading any debuff I get when a new dungeon comes out and learn how mechanics work by seeing them. I never watch videos or anything before a raid or new dungeon comes out. I learn as I go because im a kinetic learner and that’s how I navigate the world.

@Puregamefuel-illidan

Now, there is nothing wrong with running dungeons casually, but what do you really mean when you say you want “hard” content?

Of course not that’s why normal and heroic exist. They can see the content and enjoy it. Then they have the choice if they want to try a harder challenge there’s mythic dungeons and mythic+ and all dungeons should require focus and attention.

@Puregamefuel-illidan

I’m not really sure what you are asking for I guess. “Hard” is subjective, and static difficulty dungeons have less replay value.

I want a return to the dungeons of old with one difficulty level that’s very steep but to climb to the peak of that mountain is the best thing in the game right now.
I’ll add my last comment for my own post on this matter and see how it jives with you guys.

@Dantëu-sargeras

Do you think limiting the mythic plus max ilvl loot to around 20-30 ilvls higher than a mythic dungeon would be a good band-aid? I would be okay with that I think. I want hard 5 man content to do that’s not mythic+. That would give people hard 5 man content that’s not a rush environment something to do while keeping those that like m+ better rewards.

The raids have been getting better and better but the rewards from doing them not so much. With the exception of a few raid specific pieces(weapons,trinkets) there’s no reason to enter the raid as it is now and world quests/caches/m+ offer better gear than you can get in the raid via RNG titanforging.

The path to progression in the game now is just a lottery system they developed in legion with legendaries and instead of getting them you get a random high ilvl piece of gear and it feels absolutely terrible. I never feel rewarded when I get one and I feel like I was given a piece of gear that belongs to a mythic raider.