This has quite literally never been true after BFA hard nerfed stagger, we get absolutely shredded in aoe packs at a high key level vs other tanks atm. If you are referring to just living bosses then we can agree, but m+ is not just living bosses. Our entire big issue which every high level brew knows is living the hard aoe pulls, this is where we run into our issues and was the big reason we’d get destroyed all of dragonflight and all of tww s1.
You will also notice that we constantly suggest stagger buffs specifically scaling w/ pack size so it doesn’t effect raid too much cause we understand that our strength is living in raid and always has been. However our main issues atm are living in big aoe pulls and doing damage atm (normally damage is never an issue but here we are)
There’s only two seasons were ‘Brew is king’ could be applied. Season 1 of Shadowlands tanks took so much damage it was a ranged DPS + kiting meta. At this stage Brew had an advantage because speed + ring.
Season 3 SL = Combination of set + Covenant ability + Stormstout’s Last Keg (keg smash damage + extra charge) made brew quite strong for 2 months before being outscaled by Blood DK.
From there they have never been on top and especially not so in the highest keys.
Since then it’s been
Rest of SL: BDK King
S1 DF: Protection Warrior then Protection Paladin later in the season.
S2 DF: Protection Paladin then Guardian Druid later in the season (as a part of the exodia combo).
S3 DF & S4 DF: Vengeance Demon hunter with all the control in the world followed by Protection Paladin + Blood DK.
S1 TWW: (lets do the timewarp again!) Protection Warrior then Protection Paladin later in the season.
Oh nah, Brew isn’t king, definitely not
Just not unplayable
Yeah, if you take damage from more sources even if those do less damage as brewmaster they tend to deal way more damage to you because of how stagger works
But, there aren’t that many massive pulls of +10 adds per dungeon and usually you should play around those, saving big CDs for them and surviving the rest off of stagger
You don’t need 10+ mobs for it to make it a large difficult pull. Floodgate, Meadery, Priory, Rookery, and Motherlode all have consistent large pulls that do high tank damage (especially floodgate, priory, meadery, and motherlode). These are what im referring to and pmuch everyone else is and what brew struggles in. Meadery, Motherlode and Priory are the biggest examples of dungeons that clap brewmaster the higher the keys go, floodgate and rookery to a lesser extent but its still there. Once you get to the level where you can’t afford to do smaller pulls between each pack to get CD’s back is when brew starts feeling horrible because other tanks do not need that break due to more frequent defensive uptime or just not needing big defensives to live the same pulls.
I compare how brew feels to other strong tanks every season, I played ppal last season, I played pwar this season, vdh season 3-4 DF, guardian S2 DF and it’s always the same story. Bosses are significantly easier on brew while the trash becomes overwhelming and the only puzzle you have to solve on the other tanks is how to live harder bosses
Yeah I agree, specially with Priory
But again, 17s have been cleared till now (only with Bear) , brewmasters reached 15s and the game isn’t even planned to go above 10s
While worse than other tanks at least it’s playable and it’s only behind by 1 key level
Back in SL s1 no tank other than DH was playable at all, that’s really an issue
But brewmaster being slightly worse than others while still playable? Idk, one can complain but there are way bigger issues rn
I say this every season, key completion right now is completely irrelevant since its week 2 of the season and pushing is completely different 2-3 months in after the .5 patch than it is now. You have to look at the writing on the wall and look at what things are like with full bis gear (which we got to test on PTR w/ much more overtuned dungeons). It’s also just a full context missing stat, ok a bear completed a 17 and a brew doing a 15 but how did brew actually do in that key survival and damage wise, how do they do in 16s etc etc there’s so much context missing.
Above statement, early season keys are irrelevant and the gap widens every season.
It is not slightly worse, we are the worst damage tank by a significant margin (assuming equal play) and we will scale into high keys the worst out of everyone atm especially if you compare bis gear performance
I say this because it’s such an easy way to dismiss bad balance because people aren’t looking towards the near future and are only looking at present numbers without context and is a big reason tanks do not get the correct balancing
I find it very amusing that you all are continuing to argue with someone who is just trolling.
If I state that red is blue and that you all are idiots because you don’t get that red is blue, it isn’t on you to argue against me, but rather ignore me until I provide anything measurable or reasonable in support of that statement.
That druid is just making obviously untrue statements and expecting you to fight with him.
Ignore him and move on. He doesn’t matter.
At most, thank him for his support of your cause and discuss real matters with people who have something to say. Don’t feed the trolls.
Sure, what will the gap be then? 2-3 key levels? Dunno if that’s big enough to justify a big buff, messing up the meta when the spec is already still playable. Minor buffs seem fine for me atp but wait for .5 or even next season for big buffs
Definitely worse, but still done it
That’s a bold assumption haha, by how you speak I believe you’re one of the few good players remaining rn but that’s not usually the case even if brewmasters tend to be the most skilled tanks
Thank you for your support, i appreciate you keeping this thread alive.
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If they were to have Ring of Peace silence return, would you have it as WoD or MoP in terms of the dizzy + silence OR just Silence (and it’s existing function).
That’s what I’m doing with your answers and the ones of other guys who clearly lack the vision to take part of this convo
Some little mocking answer and moving to the real discussion
Let’s not forget how utterly dominant they were in the, what, last half of DF. Mistweaver and ww can’t be allowed to be good for a full tier before the hammer comes down.
