Not really a realistic comparison here. People chasing title are meta chasers. You’ll notice that a super majority in your example are paladin, and I’d be very surprised if most of them didn’t reroll after the buffs. Just like they’ll reroll after whatever comes out on top on season 2.
Monk has always had bad representation in mplus, because the spec has very harsh mistake consequences. You will still see them now and then, but they’re a small handful of diehards playing monk.
Only way they could fix monk, is to either do a full overhaul on their kit, removing some skill checks in favor of fool proof defenses. But it’s not likely anyone is getting a full rework mid expansion. Their only other option is numbers tuning, and I can’t envision any buff that makes them more viable in mplus, that doesn’t make them even more absolutely guaranteed a raid spot.
We cant forget they already added a mechanic to do this, twice really. One we saw in Dragonflight where they do hacky things individual numbers tunings for classes like priest where atonement heals for more when on “Less than 5 targets”.
But that’s the poor mans version. Here’s the rich: We have two hero talent trees. Better yet we have one that isn’t used in either raid or M+ largely (Master of Harmony). They can easily balance both types of content around tuning in these tree’s.
I mean RDruid is at least mentioned in class tuning multiple times this expansion ><. And has been meta for several seasons in DF and BFA. I think Brew would kill for even that level of attention ><.
They aren’t caring much for Brew, Demon Hunter, SPriest for sure.
Mentioned does not equal tuning.
Basically only mentioned, you’re right.
It’s a mess.
idk if Rdruid was meta any season other than S4 DF? a gimme season?
And who cares about BFA it was eons ago.
Either way, we’re on the same side.
Yeah I think some jokes have been made to suggest just they put us into the patch notes at all to acknowledge that they understand its a spec that exists.
Resto Druid
Just going off of https://mythicstats.com/meta?expansion=all and understanding that there are 7 healers so 14% represents above average and that this data is only the top 2000 keys. Therefor any week greater than 14% suggests above average presence in the top 2000 keys, 16% before preservation was introduced:
Lets classify “Meta” as having greater than equal representation in the top 2000 keys. “absurdly strong” as taking more than 50% of all healer representation in the top 2000 keys.
That would imply that I would call
DF4 Just absurdly strong
DF3 Meta
DF1 absurdly strong
BFA4 absurdly strong
BFA3 absurdly strong
BFA2 absurdly strong
BFA1 Meta
Generally it is more pragmatic to simply say, resto druid wasn’t strong in shadowlands though it surpassed 14% the end of SL4 (pres exists), was near 16% in SL3, above 16% in the end of SL2, above 16% the beginning of SL1 (Trailing off at the end).
The data also implies:
DF2 (Bear meta and you’re unlikely to bring two druids)
SL4 ( This is 1/2 bad druid seasons in the dataset )
SL3 ( This is 2/2 bad druid seasons in the dataset )
SL2 Boomkin Bear meta
SL1 Boomkin Meta Monk doesn’t have this problem of one spec being stronger so we get dropped because… well all monk specs suck and mystic touch is not a buff that helps in mythic+ with its low value add. No monk spec has been above even representation this entire expansion.
Brewmaster
Meanwhile there are 6 tanks meaning 16% representation is even and on the same data set you’ll be looking for what seasons that matches for brew, rather then when it doesn’t match for R Druid being above 16% for most of the data set, or above 14% for 2 weeks prior to DF to the present day. We’re currently around 1% and were in single digits most of dragonflight as well. It’s rare to find us anywhere on the chart, definetly some seasons we were viable if not strong, above even representation 16%
I think probably people think of “Meta” as being the only viable pick, where as here I am defining “Meta” as having above average representation in the top 2000 keys. [M]ost [E]ffective [T]actics [A]vailable would consider that if you have a ret paladin for example, a disc priest is the best option even though Prot Paladins are the strongest tank, you get the best group benefit from class diversity. Same with enhance affecting disc priest.
I do think that Resto Druid is ungodly in some of the keys I run, but paired with Brewmaster of course. I’m not sure how the tank meta would affect healer meta because generally the healer was there to move DPS health bars.
While I agree, I play bear. We are still using what is essentially our starter talent trees from the start of Dragonflight. They reworked our general tree and made it worse, and have done nearly nothing for our spec tree in years.
Brewmaster got a pretty big update where the spec is actually really good, they just have never managed to balance stagger in 5mans vs raids. They need to do some sort of thing like they did with Disc priests, where atonement is way stronger in 5mans.
No, my friend… not semantically true. Look up the definition.
What was the change in the latest patch? A stronger Swiftmend? That’s not tuning. That’s a joke and not nearly at all what hard Rdruid needed. It was just to get them in the notes so people like in this thread can say “But they were mentioned!”
Regardless, I am still on your side, even though you had a dumb comment.
If brewmaster is too hard to balance then scrap it and start over. I’d rather them start from scratch and figure out something they can balance instead of this constant state of limbo.
It really isn’t that difficult. Its not the mitigation we have trouble with, honestly. Our self healing could be slightly better.
But if they buffed our damage and utility, and added in some QOL changes that would fix season long issues (eg, keg smash only hitting some targets, threat generation, stagger % not accurately reflected in sheet, shuffle only giving 30% instead of doubling) it would go a long way.
If they upped stagger when outside of raid content and gave Brews 5% more DR, I think they’d be pretty solid.
Not sure how far you’d have to up stagger, but that could be tested to see what % would be needed. Leaving it as it is will always make Brews WAY less useful outside of raid.
Rdruid has gotten buffed nearly every time they have done buffs so far this tier. Acting like they are ignoring Resto druid is some Cartman level gymnastics.
Just completed 12 mist and healer said I was the easiest tank he’s healed on a 12 so far. In the right hands BRM are very good and sturdy tanks. But I will say it again, giving us a ranged bres would help a lot. Having to use jumper cables and literally sit on the face of the dead is a bad feeling. Bears DKs and Prots have bres. Why not just give it to all tanks and be done with it.
Btw you’re right about prot. It’s a good tank with a ton of utility but I just kind of dig BrM more. Since my last post I think I’ll just gear up for fist weaving as well. MW are traditionally good mythic+ healers as well.
I assume brms hit a wall though because the highest key is a 16 whereas all the other tanks are on 18s except DK. Not that I’ll ever see that level but I’m guessing because of stagger they could only do so much before we become gods.
