Arms and Ret should be middle of the pack at best
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every spec is braindead in 2025
all ur doing when u make your character is choosing a flavor
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LMAO
idk how you and pebz do it
I tried to get him to come do 2s with me and he said:
“Bri, just come do blitz.”
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Idk how you and dno do it!
2s genuinely has some AWESOME skill expression that you can’t realistically do in 3s because of how damage & cc happens, but the game mode is so giga dead atm that youre just fighting multiglads that tryhard the bracket or some random gearing with no real in between.
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Going from Mes and Zhang into a match with a marks hunter in greens that doesn’t trap at like 2100mmr is just insane.
2s feels so dead but hey, fun gearing bracket if you don’t mind some random sweat games.
Come play blitz with my fire mage, it’ll be fun and the people are NPC’s until 2300+.
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2s is my favorite bracket but it’s complete garbage hunter/rog/war/rdruid/priest over and over and over and over
People say shuffle killed 2s but I really think the meta never changing hurts it more
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I can think of atleast one spec that takes skill…
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It always had meta chasing but stagnant meta and people able to queue without socializing ruined it.
Oh, I see what this is—found the smooth brained rogue who doesn’t know how to solo a ret or warr. Must be rough, huh? Maybe if you learned to handle pressure instead of crying about specs, you wouldn’t be getting dunked on by the ‘mindless’ ones.
I miss 2s in BC when the bracket was ultra-relevant
Hpal/War vs Mage/rogue, disc/rogue, or aff/sp before the resilience change, all of that was extremely fun and engaging
The good ole days
Every spec you like is braindead and every spec i like isn’t 
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- Every hunter but willy/jimmy/khanitus/hog are pretty easy to beat
- rogue is ultra scripted and just requires both players to know exactly what to do.
- rdruid gets way easier when ur healer realizes they can stand on top of them and force them to make hard decisions
- dk counters every warrior variation until they get an hpal
- mwer has a pretty good matchup against priest so idk
TIME AND PLACE 
I can’t speak for him but I just really like how every matchup feels winnable if i play perfect. I also enjoy the community and the rivalries at the top lol
Really highlights individual skill plays. I know warriors are a meme in 3s but watching Joker work in 2s is mystical.
He got 2400 on arms last season and never once said “i can’t win that”
“Did you just intervene demolish the kidney, then safeguard the blind out of gouge?”
“yea why?”
“…?”
He actually will chain Q into arcane/rdruid as a non gnome arms warrior while knowing his only win condition is to parry a maim and bladestorm the bash while also reflecting the poly
2s players are just built different. You can get 2400 on any spec if you’re good enough, it’s just how bad do you want it. Most players just want free rating nowadays, 2s players just Q because they like pvp
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Lets start with Arcane
I only played 2s for years with mostly the same person but it’s just too sweaty to have fun in now.
Sucks to suck I guess. Maybe one day I’ll be good enough to enjoy 2s again but I doubt it.
It makes no sense for Warrior to be this good when it’s so easy to play
I don’t play arena, but curious…
Is it just glads/r1s running through on alts making it
sweaty, or is there just not enough people queueing where you are like 1800 running into 2.4k teams because there is nothing else to match you with?
Combination of things. Most people under Glad skill level opt to play solo shuffle or blitz since you can get higher rewards than regular arena.
There’s really no point to play the harder game unless you’re capable of getting gladiator
Plus the games been out for so long there’s just a lot of gladiator players
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This is very true amatox
You made my year
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