I find it hilarious that the solution to get the 30% bonus is to opt out completely. Great game…
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It was alliance trying to PVE in warmode but got salty when engaged by horde who actually wanted to PVP. The forums are full of it- all it takes is a simple search.
It’s like only rewarding one faction for doing BG’s, willingly engaging in BG’s. It’s no different.
I will say the same thing I did then- Don’t turn on warmode if you do NOT intend to PVP. But to top it all off, to be rewarded for it while the other faction is basically told to bug off (Aka as Ion said their intention was to discourage horde from being in warmode)? No. Absolutely not.
If that’s really the intent, then lock horde out of warmode completely. Not this.
The alliance can kill non player characters for their quest.
It’s that players are getting rewarded with ilevel 400 Gear for refusing to do content.
It ruins any form of progression because everything is handed to you.
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Or perhaps the bonus for killing 25 opposing faction members could be only attainable in solo play.This means that those players hat are in groups won’t get any credit towards the 25 kills. Many of these groups are only in groups that camp flight paths for the easy kill, and couldn’t kill anyone when it’s only 1 v 1.
No, it was literally any alliance in warmode getting hunted by horde raids. The balance was way off. Ion even admitted that.
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Well, I guess we have to take Ion’s word for it, don’t we?
Can’t go back and get PROOF of it with the new forums and all. Even if I did take part in a lot of those salty topics.
Oh, you mean alliamce complaining brought the rewards? It didn’t. Alliance turned off wm when they were extremely outnumbered. The horde then complained that there was no one to kill, so then additional rewards were given to alliance to try to balance the population. Even I remember that myself.
Ironically, it’s the opposite happening now. All of the PvE horde players that are turning it on just for the 10% are salty that the alliance wants to PvP and they can’t get their easy peasy reward now without fighting for it.
No. I meant the salty topics that actually existed about having to PVP in warmode and how they wanted the bonus for PVE purposes.
They cried about ANY PVP. 1v1 or 1v20.
Because all of what you stated isn’t how it works. Yes, there is an overall faction imbalance, but the Warmode switch isn’t a straight 100% swap of rewards.
The extra bonus awarded is set to increments of 5%, with 30% being the maximum value. Ion stated this in his Q&A. He also stated that the quest is an outlier, being one that is only made available in the extreme case of the current/recent Warmode balance.
So if the difference of adding the quest to the mix of the existing 30% bonus has given them data showing that the Alliance may drop to 25% bonus this week, what do you think it will take for the Horde to ever see the quest that rewards the gear? A miracle.
EDIT - So here’s my guess of how they figure the bonus.
It’s the percentage of difference in participation between the factions.
Knowing that the bonus is set to a maximum of 30%, regardless of the imbalance, it could be that the imbalance was 50% less Alliance than Horde. Hence the reason why Ion stated that the Alliance bonus could drop to 25%, after seeing data that showed them that by adding the quest reward, it cut the difference in half. 25% being half of 50%.
This may have been the original intention, but as the writers increasingly have the Horde doing less and less justifiable actions, that bird has kind of flown. We know what we’re doing. Since Pandaria, we have gotten the idea that our leaders are probably not going to be good guys. Anyone who didn’t understand after the tree burned was a fool.
I stand with Sylvannas, even though I know what she did was wrong. I choose honour over righteousness. I would rather be evil than a traitor, and those are the choices the story has given me.
That’s a monster with honour.
In that context I don’t remember any posts. I do remember posts explaining why alliance turned off warmode by saying stuff like “if there were two lakes and you had to swim across one of them, and one was 10% shorter, but had alligators in it, which would you swim across?”. But that isn’t complaining really, that’s giving an explanation why so many alliance turned off warmode.
Easy to say for the guy on the faction with the overwhelming odds.
The faction split is like 55-45 at 120. That’s at most one extra horde for every 9-10 alliance. That’s not overwhelming.
Ion said you still outnumber us 2:1 in warmode. Which means you getting dumpstered is the result of being bad players who are unable to organize.
We have no reason to organize.
The 30% was starting to close the gap as it was, so I don’t see why the gear quest was necessary.
That being said, I would have no issue with it if it was for both factions.
My idea:
Make a “warden tower” (like the ones in legion) in all 6 zones, the “active” one rotates every week. You have to be in this area, and any alliance/horde (players only) kill contributes to the WQ. It can be done via raid.
These towers would be out of the way and the ilvl 400 loot wouldn’t have been “too much” (imo)
This would:
- Give Incentive to the Horde to fight off the Alliance.
- Stop the Alliance from camping popular flight paths.
If you don’t organize you’re going to keep getting rolled. We’re not going to stop killing you
Not a miracle.
A miracle would fix the population imbalance. Horde getting the quest would be a miracle followed by another epic screw-up that flips the problem.
That quest isn’t a reward. It’s emergency triage.
The people QQing about not getting access to the quest are completely missing the point, and the idea that they are the problem goes completely over their heads.
If we did organize, and assuming we could wipe out an alliance raid, we would get just 40 honor from the 40 kills. Meanwhile alliance would get a piece of 400 gear for just 25 kills.
40 honor is absolutely nothing. It may as well not exist.
There’s no reason for horde to even participate if the alliance has incentive to group up and farm kills.
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