It can’t be though. A guild only has so many players and those player only have so much RNG.
Look, only so many BOE’s can drop in any run. What these guilds are doing is buying every possible thing available, which is well above what normal RNG would ever allow them to have. They are doing all of this in the first few weeks to give them the best advantage possible. Just because it’s available in the game doesn’t mean you have any chance of getting it… so instead these players buy what they need.
Yes, it’s still pay to win. Is this a serious question? P2W is a style of game that allows players to buy things that give them an advantage. It doesn’t insure they are going to win, it just makes winning potentially easier.
yes it makes everything you can gather, and everything you craft with items you gather sell for less gold.
yes making less gold on the auction house because of multiboxxers negatively impacts my game experience.
method paid people directly for gold outside of the token system and its largly irrelevant to the discussion of boxxing being pay to win.
yeah, boxxers just get to do it 5 times more often, which is the definition of pay to win. they pay more money, the get more stuff.
yes, and when you pay for that “convenience,” its called “pay to win.”
how much straw do you actually have on that slippery slope farm you live on.
you are not even defining what winning is, you are just saying “thats not winning” like a bratty child.
your purposely misrepresenting what “pay to win” means so you can poorly argue semantics.
and there you go again. any reasonable person who reads your posts, would have to come to the conclusion that in your mind, NO game has every been P2W.
acting like a toddler does not in fact make you right.
no. we want paying blizzard more money than the standard one game purchase and one sub to go away, because it in fact is P2W.
The difference is buying gear that only comes the store would actually be pay to win instead of buying gear that’s available entirely through in-game means.
But it doesn’t. I’m at 470 without spending a single cent on gear. So you could buy a couple pieces of 475 gear, big whoop.
And buying 475 gear doesn’t mean you have the skill to back it up or the understanding of how to gear your character. Higher item level isn’t always an upgrade.
you are talking about end game. How about early mid game? You are at 400, I bought 475 with cash. I kill you in wpvp. Not p2w? I can do dungeons that you can’t, not p2w? I can farm things you can’t, not p2w? I can do achievements you can’t, no p2w?
The point is that it gives you advantage, your skill is an entirely different story. If we have equal skill level then it would give me advantage over you because i have more money than you do. That is called p2w.
Most of this gear is almost completely unobtainable. RNG dictates that. That’s why these guilds were buying gear. Just because it might EVENTUALLY drop in like a year or so you’re playing doesn’t mean it has any value later on.
Players are paying to get what they need WHEN it matters. Who cares if it will eventually drop. They need/want it now. That’s why they are buying it. So they can have an advantage NOW. Not a year from now.
And now you’re talking about a very specific situation that could still result in you losing if you don’t know how to play your class. And buying gear won’t get your raider io score up so you’ll fall behind fairly quickly since you won’t be running very many dungeons.
575 gear that is only available from outside the game would be pay to win. Buying in-game gear is not pay to win, no matter how many pretzels you twist yourself into to justify your redefining of the term.
It could, No one said anything about its a guaranteed win. The whole notion of p2w is that you are paying for an advantage in game. to gain an advantage over another when originally you are on equal footing. Even if I do have a low skill level, Paying for better gear still gives me much better chances of winning against you in comparison to having low skill level and no gear. So yes its still P2W.
My only issues with boxers is in terms of gathering. I get it, they’re paying for way more subscriptions and that’s their right to use what they pay for. But when I go out and herb farm for an hour, it would likely take me 10 hours or more to achieve what they can do in that single hour depending on just how many accounts they’re running.
It does flood the market and make it harder for those looking to sell things that aren’t interested in becoming an auction house baron/baroness on their single account.
I don’t care about anything else they wanna do with their 10-50 accounts. But I do kinda mind having to sell things I spent time farming for far less because the dude on my cluster has 15 accounts that get their own separate tags on those nodes. It’s pretty much got to the point where I just don’t bother trying to make money off things I grind because the price isn’t worth the time invested.
I just use other sources now and hardly touch the auction house thanks to it. Obviously not all my servers are like that. But one of them I play on has a handful of boxers I see running around all the time and they just tank the market with the volume of trade goods.
Again, it’s their right since they paid more money to do it then I. I just don’t personally like the thought that if I was willing to pay more money, that I could farm at 10 times the rate of what I’m currently capable of and have no trouble lowering prices to sell in bulk since I’m not committing all that much time in farming. Then I could use all that money to mostly cover the cost of those accounts outside of token buying limits (I don’t know what those are as I don’t really buy tokens on the reg).
Yeah giving you an actual definition is not a mental hurdle. Now if you are having difficulty understanding what that definition says well thats not my problem.
convenience
[kənˈvēnyəns]
NOUN
the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty.