And thats your own warped definition.
Obviously you guys need some help so here you go.
convenience
[kənˈvēnyəns]
NOUN
- the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty.
Yep. Its an unofficial and unsponsored event that exists in the minds of players.
And if that much of a rub…said players can jsut strike out those world’s firsts and give it to number 2. I do. Played money the game, got caught…no title for you.
This is what would done if an actual blizzard event I’d gather.
since not official blizzard has no say here really, Unlike CCP in its eve tournaments in the past where shady crap went down.
It wasn’t always the team that won the final who got the top prizes. Shady things happened and congratulations number 3. You are number 1 after 2 days of review.
You see one tourney both teams in finals picked who was going to win. so…one team threw the match. Obvious throw too, cut and dry off the match alone. So CCP said yeah, here’s your disqual 1st place. And your disqual 2nd place. 3rd place…you are now 1st. and so on for 4 to 2, 5 to 3.
Also worth noting eve tournament had nice prizes long ago. so you actually won some good stuff.
I’ll break it down really easy for you pal what you just described is…
convenience
[kənˈvēnyəns]
NOUN
- the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty.
Good luck with your weird awkward crusade.
by your argument P2W does not even exist. The whole notion and point of P2W is that you are paying real money to win over someone else whether its convenience or power.
Having the ability to outgear someone with $ and beat them in PvE and PvP is P2W. Yes it does impact and ruin other people’s experience because you are not standing on equal footing.
You are trying to achieve the things by playing the game. The other person is getting them by taking cash out of their wallet.
If that is not defining enough of P2W to you, I don’t know what is.
It would be p2w only if those items they paid cash for were only available for cash. They aren’t they are in the game everyone is able to obtain them. What you three are describing is.
convenience
[kənˈvēnyəns]
NOUN
- the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty.
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lmao. ok then little buddy you keep believing that.
By your standard almost no games are P2W, all those mobiles games, none are P2W. What they sell in store are all able to be acquired in game, only will take you a few extra years and by the time you get them, new and better items would have been introduced and the old old stuff you acquired are obsolete already, meanwhile you lose at everything in game because other players are miles ahead of you since they paid money for the things that are according to you, not P2W.
but hey, that’s just convenience for you. Alright then. GLHF.
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This is a really flawed line of logic.
Just because something is in the game, doesn’t mean everyone can get it. That’s how RNG works. Some players get lucky, some don’t. You can go an entire tier and never get a piece of gear you need. That’s the point of buying a carry. You can dramatically increase your chances of getting something you need/want.
If you can buy all the gear you need at the onset of the expansion when that gear is the hardest to get, you have a massive advantage over your competition. This is ONLY possible with paying.
The mental hurdles you guys go through is hilarious.
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So…what is being won again? The ability to progress past other players? That’s still not winning. An advantage maybe, but not winning.
By your standard, any game that sells a subscription or offers ANY items in-game or out for real money is P2W.
If you dislike things like that so much, why do play games that have them? Sounds like self-torture.
Unless you grind your game time out with gold for tokens, you’re P2W and not hardcore enough to play this game.
But you’re not winning…
Now having an advantage is = to winning? No skill or effort involved once the payment is made?
an advantage is not winning? what is winning then?
Any games offering items in game that offers an advantage for real money is P2W.
That is the literal definition of P2W, the term came into existence because of it.
Just because I disagree with some of the P2W elements Blizzard implement does not mean I don’t like the game in general. People voice their concerns in forums to let Blizzard know what we think. Its called feedback.
So if I bought 475 gear for $50 and beat you, who is on 400 gear who didn’t pay $. I didn’t win?
But you… are.
First, this is entirely on the player to decide. Winning can be defined differently for everyone. Everyone has different goals and it’s not for YOU to decide what everyone considers a win.
Let me give you some examples of winning.
- Being the top on DPS or Heals for your group.
- Getting an orange parse.
- Getting a specific achievement.
- Killing a boss.
- Winning a pet battle or duel.
- Winning an arena match.
- Getting Gladiator title.
- Winning a BG.
The list goes on and on. You know why, because how you and I define a win is differently. Players pay big money to win at those things and there are plenty more.
What does this even mean? Even in pay to win games you still need to WIN with some levels of ability. I have played a couple p2w mobile games that you had to pay to get the best gear in the game. I never did, but I could still beat players who had PAID to have an advantage.
Where have you been this whole discussion? That is exactly what pay to win is. Pay to win is paying for an advantage…
FROM WIKIPEDIA…
“In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any gameplay advantage, which can not be obtained otherwise”
The gear these players are buying can’t be obtained by 99% of the population. that is why these guilds buy this stuff up, because they know that… even with time, the chances of them getting everything they need are still very low. So they pay to have an advantage.
But the technicalities do matter. The anti-multiboxers need to understand what they’re arguing against, because Blizzard certainly isn’t going to listen to a bunch of half-baked nonsense.
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This. The stuff your talking about can be obtained by other players, difficulty in doing so is regardless. It’s still available to everyone else who plays.
I’m curious, what do you call it when you pay $$ and you don’t win? Is that still pay to win?
If I bought 100 ilvls above you and we have equal skill level, what are my chances of not winning against you?
Um… that’s factually incorrect.
There is no difference between 6 accounts on one computer vs 6 different computers.
In the early days of multiboxing multiboxers used multiple computers with splicers.
Only if you want to redefine the term so broadly that it loses all meaning.
This is the same problem with “botting” and “cheating”. You lot can’t accept that multiboxing isn’t automation or against the rules, so you start redefining terms all over the place until reality fits your agenda.
You’d have a point if you could buy 575 gear that was only available through the store.
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What difference does it make? I win over you because I paid $.