Can we source the next interviews for Ion or the dev team to mention the botting problem there? Can we get someone BIG in the community with Blizzard contacts to initiate a discussion about the swarm of bots infesting our servers? This is seriously the most frustrating thing about this game at this moment. Why even make retail classic when you’re going to ignore it?
Old Private server devs - you might as well bring back the old private servers and redo this garbage iteration of Classic, because it’s far beyond repair due to Blizzard inaction and neglect.
Economies on multiple servers have already faced irreplaceable damage. This is inexcusable and a shame for Blizzard, a company that went face first into making Classic servers for us, now completely abandoning its community. Shame on everyone, especially Omar from the WoW Classic dev team. You lead this show, now own up to it.
I think it is incorrect TO ASSUME there have not already been months and months of discussions of this inside Blizzard. It is already a top priority. I think it is incorrect TO ASSUME that Blizzard has a fix and is just “not bothering” because it is a low priority.
That does not mean “Blizzard can fix this”. That isn’t a solution. That is just blaming Blizzard.
I can find Blizzard posts from a decade ago explaining that bots cost them money. Dozens and dozens of posts, they’ve been really consistent about this for over a decade.
I don’t think they’re lying when they say bots cost them money.
How does it cost them money? They simply choose not to deal with the issue and thus devote zero man power to the problem while at the same time getting all that monthly sub cash the bots still have to pay for the either stolen acc. or for the actual bot accounts.
In what world does that inflict penalties on their revenue?
Ofc playing employees to ban them costs money. Blizz is then out of that money and the sub.
So to combat bots blizz has to spend money to lose money. This is why they “ban in waves” and “collect data by observation”.
Excerpt for all the people I know won’t bother opening the link:
Let’s say 90% of botters were compromised accounts. This means that 90% of these botters aren’t paying accounts; they’re stolen accounts, which are generally fueled by stolen credit cards. These payments usually get disputed and taken back, which actually costs us money. If we’re looking to make a purely fiscal observation, it makes no financial sense to let these continue (aside from the fact that we don’t like compromised accounts to begin with - we want our players to be playing their own accounts safely and enjoyably).
Here’s what she said about the negative effect the forums have on fighting bots:
No, most of them do get caught. But on the forums especially, players tend to focus on the negative more than the positive. And those who bot support that ideal, because they want people to think they’re winning. They like the community to think that we do don’t do anything, because it discourages your player reports. And those reports help us immensely in our work.
Nevalistis has moved on from the company a couple months ago (she was the Diablo CM for many years), you can tweet at her and ask her if she was lying about this I guess.
The banks are totally charging back all of the subscriptions from the bots who have been active for months and months and months guys! Won’t you think about poor, little Blizzard? They’re spending so much money working on this issue by doing literally nothing as bots LITERALLY WALLHACK AND FLY THROUGH THE GAME IMAGINE ACTUALLY SHILLING FOR BLIZZARD LMAO
Have you ever tried making an account and paying with a false credit card? They strip you of your gametime so fast you can not even blink. Stolen accounts with the original owners credit card of course get flagged but I doubt it will ever cost them more cash than just to let the rampant botting with legitimate accounts go haywire without doing anything. Also she claims an obviously wrong percentage that will not hold up today by what we experience now: that 90% of the botters are stolen accounts. These are probably normal and paid for accounts that just do not get flagged or dealt with.
Wether she has moved on or not, this was 2011 and today is obviously different. That said, I hate botting, it makes me wanna quit the game. And this quote basically just implicates everyone who makes a post about the big issue that bots are now (which is only negative and not positive) as being “in support of bots” because apparently our outcry discourages people… Is she serious? Lmao the nerve, to accuse the people who complain on their forums of being “pro botting” because we discourage the others of trying to report. Lmao the nerve, i hope she does not ever get another job in any MMO moderation environment
I spit on that notion. There is only negative reports about botting because apparently nobody is able to see any improvement and this company is straight on silent about any notion to tackle the issue or even talk about that it exists.
I also love how you conveniently left out the part where every petition goes to a GM for a review… surely that happens today in classic aswell (HAHAHAHAH)
So your stance is that Blizzard has never banned bots? Because I can go back all the way to 2006 on that Blue tracker and find posts from people saying virtually the same stuff as you.
No when did I say that? you obviously do not have any good argument to counter my points at all, so you accuse me of things I never said.
There sure was a time when they did care about the game and actively tried to go after bots and players that abused the game or their ToS. But today, even when you show em proof on video that people are botting, they will not act or in an insufficient matter.
Combine that with their silence in either showing us proof they deal with bots or even acknowledging the problem, I am really unsure why you advocate in their favor.
Again… a decade ago… is not 2020. And who says anything about banning em based on a video? Is it reason enough to vet said players? yes. If there is botting, they will get banned. Again you put words in my mouth I never used.
structure and priorities in the last decade.
It is you who is making idiotic arguments that mean absolutely nothing in the current day. In fact its so sad that you actually have to go back 10 years past to even find a statement, and then you come here thinking you did something meaningful, blissfully ignoring the fact that in reality you have nothing but dirt to show for.
I’m using statements and quotes from 2010 because the EXACT same statements and quotes they make NOW IN 2020 causes people like YOU to say "lol blizz 2020 can’t trust em lolol!’
The point I’m making is that their policy regarding botting has NEVER CHANGED. They’ve consistently said bots causes them to lose money, they’ve consistently said they ban bots and they’ve consistently said they don’t send GM’s to look at movement patterns because they have an appeal system and they need to have good evidence for when the person whose account was stolen APPEALS the permanent ban MONTHS later when they come back to the game.
And you’re replying literally two seconds after I made the post. You’re not reading, you’re not listening and you’re not posting in good faith.
They actually do not. You would have quoted em from 2020 if you could find em in 2020. You do not. You just defend em for no logical reason at all, except to either argue for fun (poorly btw) or because you actually believe the turds you are quoting/saying here.
It has changed in terms of them being a lot more lenient towards it. I told you already why it makes no sense for them to lose money on bots these days. You even provided their reasoning why it costs em money and again I told you their explanation simply does not hold up in 2020 classic wow. These accounts are not stolen (some sure are, no doubt) but its just easier to create an army of legitimate accounts and bot at your leisure these days.
Again you can not read or just choose to ignore what I say. They could not even send any petitions to a GM because they cut the GM numbers to save on money. I was just saying that the comment you linked talks about GMs investigating petitions by players, which I guarantee you, they do not do anymore these days. Its all automated BS, even if they tell you its not.
You are accusing me of not reading and listening, while being an ignorant kid that obviously does not understand that the companie’s priorities have changed in the last decade.
But go ahead, keep pretending we do not have a bot problem and that everything is just fine!
We could prolly get Ion to say hello to all you attention starved players that create threads like this just fishing for a blue to show up in your thread.
