This is the argument that really trips me up because it implies that making a group is easier than just getting invited into one.
If I’m making a group, I’m expected to have the experience and understanding that comes with the content we’re trying to clear.
I can’t really do that if I’m never being invited to groups. It’s a vicious cycle.
It’s no different than if you were pugging into a group. You’re still expected to know the same stuff already.
Yes, I am aware, hence why I said it’s a vicious cycle. It also proves the point that gatekeeping exists.
Ahh pretending to be the top end EU feral Druid today.
I always enjoy your guess who game 
And as usual you don’t understand what gatekeeping is.
Having group requirements isn’t gatekeeping. You wouldn’t say a hospital is “gatekeeping you” because they won’t let you perform surgery because you don’t need the qualifications to do the job/content.
It ready doesn’t though. There are plenty of videos online that show the mechanics in a 1-3 minute length.
If I’m making a group and I want xyz requirement whether it be IO/key done at similar level/or aotc then I can and that’s not gatekeeping.
Wanting to have people in my group at the same level I am isn’t gatekeeping.
Use the badboy addon blocks like 95% of it for me
I mean you’re always pretending yourself, aren’t you?
I know what gatekeeping is. It happens in a lot of places, even on RP servers for RP. It happens in M+, and it happens in raids.
Depends on the requirements and if it’s completely preventing people from being able to do something with unreasonable demands. IE having higher requirements than said content actually needs, or not allowing people from specific servers to play. Since that content certifiably requires groups to do, that is indeed gatekeeping them from said content.
More non-comparisons, thanks. Try again, with less snozberries this time.
Sure, if this was enough for most people, then I would agree with you. However, it’s not. Most people expect you to have achievements indicating that you’ve completed the content at the difficulty level in question and/or a qualifying IO score, neither of which I can get from watching a Youtube video.
By definition, it is.
gate·keep·ing
/ˈɡātˌkēpiNG/
noun
the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something.
You can try to swing it any way you want. Your hospital comparison is a bit strange, considering working in a hospital comes with the obligation of saving people’s lives, whereas this is just a video game with no real world ramifications. If you’re ill-equipped to perform surgery, it makes sense for them to want you to be trained and knowledgeable about the process, because actual people might die. If you’re ill-equipped to run a raid, the only thing it causes is an inconvenience because you might wipe a couple times more than anticipated.
What you are doing is gatekeeping. I understand why you would want to, but at the end of the day, you are gatekeeping.
It depends son the group. If a group has an aotc requirement it’s because the goal is a quick clear. It’s not a group for people who have never been in the raid before.
In order for me to be gatekeeping I would be restricting your access to lfg entirely and informing all created groups not to invite you.
Not inviting you to my one group doesn’t mean I’m gatekeeping you from the content.
It’s not strange at all. It’s just an example of qualifications needed. It can be applied to any job.
They aren’t going to let a janitor be a defense attorney because they aren’t qualified.
Group leaders are free to set any requirement they want too.
I generally don’t invite anyone with less than 25 15s timed to weed out boosts.
Nope. Never made that claim. You did.
You clearly don’t.
Yet it’s not. If I don’t invite ragnaros players that’s because I have that option. That’s not gatekeeping people from content. There are plenty of other groups that will take them.
I mean, this feels a bit straw man. Obviously, we all know that you don’t vet each and every group that is formed in the game to determine whether or not the people in said groups are capable of clearing content, but the act of not letting people into your group, even when they have the requirements to clear the raid, is still gatekeeping.
And I never said they weren’t. It’s just an observation that most pug group leaders will gatekeep players from joining their raid.
I’m just going off of the definition of what you posted.
Not inviting someone to my group doesn’t qualify as general access. I would literally have to be messaging every single group leader in lfg to not invite you.
This is why the term is improperly used.
The thing is Blizzard can’t do away with it.
Facts. But it lines blizzards pockets so they don’t care. Zero integrity.
Imagine paying for a game, then paying a sub monthly, and then paying someone to play the game for you.
“WAAH WAAH CARRY ME THROUGH A 23 WAAH WAAH WAAH WAAH WAAH”
Oh my God shut the hell up
But people are paying for it so it’s not the booster’s fault. Just like there is a demand for drugs because consumers are willing to pay for drugs, there is a demand for boosting because players will pay for it.
It truly is not the booster’s fault if there is a market for it. If all boosters were banned or cease to advertise, those players would find other ways to get boosted (friends, guildies, underground boosters, websites, etc…)
Boosters are…inevitable.
Yup. Ban boosting and I’ll find another way to do it within the confines of the rules.
I’m still a bit salty over the community ban but I’ve been able to work with it, even on a dead realm. If they want to try to ban boosting outright though then they’re just going to make more “criminals” over people who aren’t doing anything to hurt anyone else.
Let’s be real. Nothing has stopped the boosting advertisements in LFG and trade chat. They are in full force as we speak.
I’m fine with the trade chat ads. That’s where they belong, and I’m glad that I’m able to still find boosters.
if they ban boosting, you will get yourself banned lol