I’d be mad too if I “couldn’t win against KT” or I should clarify further and say, “can’t win against 4hm, sapph, and KT” while it’s about to hit April soon. I can see why the OP acts the way they do now. They can’t do simple mechanics, so they need to lash out on everyone else over tiny nonsense. They actually don’t know what winning is, because they never won… 
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oh i get it. he actually cant win the game so someone being able to catch up to him so fast is winning.
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Yeah I think that is the deep rooted correlation here. Actual mad cuz bad mentality.
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this argument doesn’t make any sense considering I didn’t pay any $ for my priest.
Does it give you the best PVP gear along with the boost?
Does it give you the best PVE set with the boost?
Does it give you the best of ANYTHING with the boost?
Learn what Pay to win means before labeling things with it.
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Don’t see any irony here.
- I leveled all of classic characters myself.
- Paying someone gold to carry you through a dungeon is not the same as paying blizzard $ to have an instant 58 character. One costs money, the other costs gold.
x =/= y
Ops…
Pay 2 win.
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Let me ask you this:
Say for instance, it’s phase 6 or whatever (sunwell patch).
Blizzard gives you the option to boost a character to level 70 with full Black temple/Hyjal gear.
Does it give you the best PVP gear along with the boost? No
Does it give you the best PVE set with the boost? No
Does it give you the best of ANYTHING with the boost? No
Using your logic this wouldn’t be pay-to-win either.
I’m assuming you’re ok with this too. Are you not?
That’s such a dumb comparison to the 58 boosts though.
Why do you do this to yourself?
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I love having to explain this to people over and over again… hEre wE gO AgAiN!!
The reason leveling is pay to win is because classic wow is a competitive game where players compete over world resources.
If you played classic more than 5 minutes you would have experienced this.
- Not getting a mining node over another player who beat you to it.
- Not getting into a dungeon for being too low level or another player of a higher level getting your spot
- Not getting to be first on loot council for being worse at parsing. Because you leveled slower and were less geared.
- Losing in open world PvP because another player outleveled you.
- Not getting gladiator in arena because you had to level up and were slower than others.
All of these of course happen in reverse. When I sit down to play classic wow I expect my leveling efficiency to directly improve my ability to compete in game over raid spots, gear, and professions including market dominance.
It’s not about whether or not you can pay another player to boost you. If you get a mage to boost you then you are using game mechanics to get an edge over other players. The same way I can parse higher using flask. I don’t care if it’s cheesy. It’s never going to be a bad thing because it’s an acceptable existing game mechanic that existed back at vanilla release.
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You invested time into leveling it. That time is worth something.
It’s just your logic I am tossing back at you.
Curious. How long did it take you to level your 60?
How many hours have you played it to get where it is?
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you hit 60 before the first month ended. Thats $15. Now, how long to get pre raid BIS? I will be kind again and say you might have done it in a month. That’s another $15.
So, by that napkin math you spent at least $30 for your level 60 with crappy gear.
Your argument that this is P2W does not hold up under scrutiny.
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There is no precedent for this. They have never boosted to current content max level.
Your argument is full of fallacies and fear.
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pretty dumb of you to ignore all the context of my post.
If you think level 58 with junk gear, no professions and minimal gold is somehow winning in WoW in TBC that’s a you problem.
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How does using the sub fee as a way to describe obtaining gear as pay-to-win. Do you want to elaborate on how that makes sense?
I didn’t ignore the context. I read the whole thing. That’s the problem.
I’m saying the context is dumb and makes no sense. It’s a terrible comparison and doesn’t bode well for your argument. At all.
I know Blizzard hurt you in the feels when they announced boosts but… life sucks sometimes?
It’s a hypothetical situation following the logic of the person I was responding to. Why are you ignoring context?
Actually that would be pay to win as your paying for an advantage in current content.
The old raids don’t become irrelevant when sunwell comes out.
You could pay for gear that didn’t drop… which is pay to win.
Which is why blizzard never introduced gear buying and/or boosts for current content.
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Going into TBC most of us will be taking a geared 60 into Outlands, in that context I have no problem with a level 58 boost with junk gear. And we’ll all be seeing a complete gear replacement and leveling process getting to 70.
A better analogy would be if blizzard decided to offer a 68 boost in phase 6.
Here I’ll explain it to you since you’re obviously having difficulty.
I was following the logic of the person I was responding to.
the argument here was how something was defined as pay-to-win, and my hypothetical hit all 3 of the criteria he listed to be considered ‘not pay-to-win’.
Now the question is, do you agree that a level 70 boost full t6 boost would be pay-to-win or not?