bonus honor wk..take a break..premade city

10/25/2018 10:15 AMPosted by Inemia
10/25/2018 08:07 AMPosted by Ellisanna
I ignore anyone who is too scared to post on their main, and hides behind an alt.


i usually see people with this mentality when they like to use ad hominem and gatekeeping for validity instead of proper arguments. you don't need to see someone's main when you have sound arguments.

btw, there is really no reason for premades in unrated pvp, its like using iddqd in doom then feeling "skilled".
There is plenty of reasons for friends to play with friends in a video game in all aspects, even casual Bgs. Inb4: the good old friends excuse.
10/25/2018 10:20 AMPosted by Jugajr
10/25/2018 10:15 AMPosted by Inemia
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i usually see people with this mentality when they like to use ad hominem and gatekeeping for validity instead of proper arguments. you don't need to see someone's main when you have sound arguments.

btw, there is really no reason for premades in unrated pvp, its like using iddqd in doom then feeling "skilled".
There is plenty of reasons for friends to play with friends in a video game in all aspects, even casual Bgs. Inb4: the good old friends excuse.


cough*the old friends excuse* cough ;P

would you agree though that many unscrupulous players get premades together just to pug stomp or increase their chances of winning?

should the real argument be whether the abuse of premades is enough to outweigh the positives like playing with friends and community building?
10/25/2018 10:29 AMPosted by Inemia
should the real argument be whether the abuse of premades is enough to outweigh the positives like playing with friends and community building?


Nothing can outweigh the positives of playing with your friends/guildies in a videogame.
Also you're a solo queuer, right? I don't see low winrates other than av/ioc
Fair play is more important than playing with 5+ friends/guildies.

https://twitter.com/holinka/status/646510398091362304
Certainly happy that new communities have sprung up and new friendships have been formed. But not at the expense of fairplay.
10/25/2018 10:37 AMPosted by Jugajr
Nothing can outweigh the positives of playing with your friends/guildies in a videogame.


10 friends get together and pugstomp 10 bgs. those 10 people's fun ruined the fun of 100 other people, its a pretty significant difference. there is also a difference between losing a close game and losing when you are getting pugstomped. a close match lose will still let you feel good as you know both teams played well and tried hard. getting pugstomped however is different as there is nothing you can do, you feel helpless. one feeling will beget more pvp, the other will traumatize many noobs into never pvping again. growth and health of the pvp community should outweigh the fun of playing with friends.

10/25/2018 10:40 AMPosted by Jugajr
Also you're a solo queuer, right? I don't see low winrates other than av/ioc


yep, but i don't stand around mid picking my nose.
10/25/2018 10:49 AMPosted by Forums
Fair play is more important than playing with 30+ friends/guildies.

https://twitter.com/holinka/status/646510398091362304
[quote]Certainly happy that new communities have sprung up and new friendships have been formed. But not at the expense of fairplay.


Again you're combining full group premades and 2-5 man premades into the same issue/thread. These are two different discussions and issues.
10/25/2018 10:50 AMPosted by Inemia
yep, but i don't stand around mid picking my nose.


The truth comes out. It's not premades holding players back, it's that their in mid picking their nose. I agree

10 friends get together and pugstomp 10 bgs.


I thought we were talking about 5 mans or less. Doesn't matter, you already confirmed why people lose and it's not premades
"Noobs" should be encouraged to play with other people instead of trying to get into PvP solo. That way you will have a better time overall, learn from those around you, socialize/make pvp friends, etc etc etc. The issue isn't that others are premading ruining their time, it's they're going at it solo when they should be grouping.
10/25/2018 07:41 AMPosted by Forums
10/25/2018 07:33 AMPosted by Muffindiving
I will continue to seek out and make it a point to play with other people all day, every day.

Pugs are people too.


I disagree, Pugs are cute little pupperz
10/25/2018 10:40 AMPosted by Jugajr
Also you're a solo queuer, right? I don't see low winrates other than av/ioc


10/25/2018 10:50 AMPosted by Inemia
yep, but i don't stand around mid picking my nose.


I'm sorry, this needs to make it to the next page
10/25/2018 10:50 AMPosted by Inemia
10/25/2018 10:37 AMPosted by Jugajr
Nothing can outweigh the positives of playing with your friends/guildies in a videogame.


10 friends get together and pugstomp 10 bgs. those 10 people's fun ruined the fun of 100 other people, its a pretty significant difference. there is also a difference between losing a close game and losing when you are getting pugstomped. a close match lose will still let you feel good as you know both teams played well and tried hard. getting pugstomped however is different as there is nothing you can do, you feel helpless. one feeling will beget more pvp, the other will traumatize many noobs into never pvping again. growth and health of the pvp community should outweigh the fun of playing with friends.

10/25/2018 10:40 AMPosted by Jugajr
Also you're a solo queuer, right? I don't see low winrates other than av/ioc


yep, but i don't stand around mid picking my nose.


Okay which is it?

Is a premade 2 to 5 people playing together or is it 5 man teams syncing their queues?

One is allowed and encouraged by Blizzard.

The other is gaming the system.
10/25/2018 10:53 AMPosted by Jugajr
I thought we were talking about 5 mans or less. Doesn't matter, you already confirmed why people lose and it's not premades


well here's the thing, you can get a premade together full of tryhards, when the tryhards meet the nosepickers its going to be a bloodbath everytime. made worse by the fact that many of these premades would rather pugstomp than just get a clean win. losing is bad enough, getting salt rubbed into the wound makes it worse. its why PVE is full of people who tried a bg once and won't ever pvp again.

of course what i want to see as a solo-queuer is two groups of random pugged tryhards, win or lose, these are the games you enjoy and want more of.
of course what i want to see as a solo-!%!##@*#* is two groups of random pugged tryhards, win or lose, these are the games you enjoy and want more of.


I like the premade vs premade personally. I'm a little turned off by nose pickers
10/25/2018 10:54 AMPosted by Dangerjosh
hat way you will have a better time overall, learn from those around you, socialize/make pvp friends, etc etc etc.


socializing in wow? i hardly see that anymore, bg chat often turns into a toxic slogfest and people only join discords for the duration of the yolo with very little socialization going on. i see the same thing in pve as well, people join, talk, then leave. wow's socialization at this point is made up mostly of 'single serving friends.'
10/25/2018 11:09 AMPosted by Jugajr
I like the premade vs premade personally. I'm a little turned off by nose pickers


is that what rated is for?
10/25/2018 11:12 AMPosted by Inemia
10/25/2018 10:54 AMPosted by Dangerjosh
hat way you will have a better time overall, learn from those around you, socialize/make pvp friends, etc etc etc.


socializing in wow? i hardly see that anymore, bg chat often turns into a toxic slogfest and people only join discords for the duration of the yolo with very little socialization going on. i see the same thing in pve as well, people join, talk, then leave. wow's socialization at this point is made up mostly of 'single serving friends.'


One of the many problems solo queue accessible content as caused...the decline of socialization in WoW.
10/25/2018 11:13 AMPosted by Inemia
10/25/2018 11:09 AMPosted by Jugajr
I like the premade vs premade personally. I'm a little turned off by nose pickers


is that what rated is for?


rated is for you to gain rating and have your performances ranked against others who desire the same. Just in case you're still confused, rating is assigning a value to something based on a particular scale.
10/25/2018 11:13 AMPosted by Inemia
10/25/2018 11:09 AMPosted by Jugajr
I like the premade vs premade personally. I'm a little turned off by nose pickers


is that what rated is for?


They have 5 man rated BGs?

10/25/2018 11:12 AMPosted by Inemia
socializing in wow? i hardly see that anymore


I see it almost every night. Makes logging in more fun imo. You could try it, doesn't hurt
10/25/2018 11:14 AMPosted by Dangerjosh
One of the many problems solo queue accessible content as caused...the decline of socialization in WoW.


bgs have always been solo-queable, even back when you needed to travel out to the queue guy for a specific bg. you could make that argument for LFG and LFR, and i would agree, but it fails when you are talking bgs.

10/25/2018 11:16 AMPosted by Dangerjosh
rated is for you to gain rating and have your performances ranked against others who desire the same. Just in case you're still confused, rating is assigning a value to something based on a particular scale.


what about YOLOs? they play in rated queue with little chance of gaining rating, its mostly for the fun and socialization right?