Lol. Meters between different specs mean nothing.
Good sub rogues rarely use black powder. If they did use black powder, they’d put out ridiculous numbers. Good rogues use evis on priority targets. So the meter means nothing except between sub rogues and priority dmg. And a BM hunter can do just as well on priority dmg while cleaving better than a sub rogue.
Example: SD gauntlet. I do about 18k dps where as a survival hunter is doing 30k dps. My job is not to worry about a meter. My job is to make Kaal phase asap.
Valuable dmg- I’m doing about 15k dps to Kaal. A survival hunter is doing about 5k. Stop using meters to compare specs.
It’s not as cut-and-dry as most folks on GD think it is.
For example: Sub Rogue last season was considered largely mandatory in most very high keys. Now, Outlaw and Assassination offer a lot of the same utility Sub does (CC, Shroud, CC, Sap, CC, a Cheat Death, CC…) but Sub has both higher AoE and the one very underrated damage profile that makes or breaks a lot of keys: funnel damage, where you do more damage to a single target for each target in a pull up to a certain amount.
Funnel damage is HUGE. You can turn 6 mobs into a ton more damage on an Urh Dismantler, one of the mobs that chain people in Sanguine Depths, the Brutes in Sanguine Depths, the mob in front of the last boss in Plaguefall, the 3rd boss in Halls of Atonement, and basically any mob in a pack that has higher health than anything else in that pack. This means the pack dies much faster because the AoE-specced DPS won’t be spending 10-15 seconds a pull single-targeting a mob down; the Sub Rogue does that for them.
Sub Rogue’s overall cannot compare to a Destro Warlock’s or a Survival Hunter’s right now. A Sub Rogue’s overall couldn’t compare to a WW Monk’s or a Frost Mage’s last season, either. But no good player will ever look at the Sub Rogue doing 15k DPS to the Frost Mage’s/WW Monk’s 23k DPS and say “that Sub Rogue is bad,” because that Sub Rogue did that 15k so the Monk/Mage weren’t doing 17k DPS.
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Did you watch the video?
Looks like echo routinely pumping out 50-100k on pulls and the other team sometimes pumping out 20-30k provided vastly different results. So I suspect it meant something.
At the end of the day M+ is pretty simple, you have X amount of damage that needs to be done in Y amount of time.
Again. They purposefully built a bad comp. It’s not the specs that are bad, it’s that the specs were bad together. In need you to understand the difference.
And the amount of dmg needed to do a 15 in time is about 5k across the board.
Echo was doing pulls that a lot of the other teams were more often than not wiping on due to bad CC or a mistake or two (i.e. Echo vs. Baldy in Streets where Baldy got completely bricked by the Mailroom boss while Echo pulled off a ludicrous pull with mostly the same comp). If the other teams played as well as Echo they’d be doing that much too.
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b-b-but big number is all that matters!~ that cant possibly be true.
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You do need a certain amount of boss dps though to finish the key quickly.
There is functionally two kinds of dps in m+
Boss damage (makes boss fights shorter)
Trash damage (makes aoe pulls shorter)
You need to balance out both so that you have the best amount of dps for the whole dungeon so that your AoE dps arent sitting there attacking 1 bolstered guy because he is still alive.
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Also, I’d rather have a frost DK in my key than a survival hunter and it’s not even close. In live, frost DKs are showing out.
It’s a shame because I like being BM
You can still be BM, just don’t expect a pug invite.
I have noticed frost dk is more popular than it has been for keys as I get in much more easily when I apply and it just feels easier to time keys than it has for a long time.
And a lot of the big pumping AoE specs do great single target damage as well. There really isn’t a single target / multi target trade off. And every boss has adds this season.
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Works for me, I’m casual AF these days
Lol. I swapped from BM last patch to rogue just for something different. Bet I can get KSM on him within the month easily and haven’t acquired any gear since this patch.
Let’s deep dive this. You’re feral. What is feral good at? I need you to only reply to that. What does feral do that’s good?
Brez the Surv Hunter or Destro Lock.
You’re BM. Let’s do the same with you. What is BM good at?
The best ones click the “Create New Character” button.
Are you going to try and claim our famous single target damage has people beating down the door to get us into their keys?