I didn’t say BM, or any of the previous specs I mentioned required zero thought, or no CC. Of course they do, all specs do to some extent. But when you’re CC or dmg isn’t easily counterable, is easy to get off, is high burst and sustain, you’re highly mobile, you have good passive defense, and you’re rotation is very simple…does that not make it an easier spec to play than others? There needs to be a tradeoff somewhere. And yea, IMO that tradeoff should be that you should generally lose against more complex specs at the highest levels of the ladder (assuming perfect play on both sides)…top .05% or less. You don’t have to like my opinion, but i’m not changing it either.
Frost mage AoE Slow, AoE Fear from Spriest, AoE Roots, AoE Stuns…literally 90% of specs can prevent the pet damage. And Hunter CC is just as difficult to prevent as Rogue CC…so I don’t see your point.
Regardless, the stealth nerf to KC does need to be remedied. As of right now BM is in F tier for pvp.
Again, does that justify gutting all potential damage from the spec and basically making them a CC bot? With these nerfs the damage BM has next to no damage
Well my original comment was that it should never be S tier, I said A tier too, but I was only half serious there. So no, I don’t think it should be gutted. But it was A+ to S tier until then was it not?
Then you agree with us that the stealth 20% nerf to kill command in pvp was too much (likely unintended) and places BM well under every other dps spec in a PVP tier list.
Glad we reached a consensus that they need to buff kill command in PvP to match the PvE changes. 
I always switch to bm when I’ve had wayyy too much to drink and my brain is 10x slower reacting to stuff. Mm if I want to actually sweat
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I agree here. My dmg on my BM wasn’t ever out of control. In order for me to feel like I was actually doing any damage at all I had to run bestial wrath and COTW (2mincd). I hate having to run call and beastial wrath. I recently tried to play some BM games again since the changes and the damage feels so bad.
I hate all my dire beasts and I hate wild call. I’m putting off BM for a while.
Can confirm both of these specs absolutely still crush damage. Nothing too much changed there. Oh and now they gutted one Pet spec only to replace it with an even worse pet spec…Demo lock is doing unhealable damage at the moment lmao
Well the pvp ladder beg to differ since BM hunter are in second place next to feral. But feral takes skills and not BM. This is why BM is a cancer when its good.
Also, UDK and Aff lock got nerfed.
Everyone do agree feral need to get tuned down. But BM hunter suffer from the same problem then warrior.
They require the least amonth of skill to be played this is why they ruins the fun of none pro players when they are good.
didnt a bm hunter win the awc? 
Oh well it’s not as bad as the fact - Disc still has no stun
Must really think arms is big brain by the way this guy speaks.
Irony.
Bm and hunters as a whole should always remain high damage high mobility low survivability. Many classes need their defensives toned down
I agree, you might say that I am biased against hunter since I mostly play caster and they counter them well.
But in the past I could count on my teamate to assist me on the hunter kill and have a chance to win. This season, BM and MM where so tanky it was a failing strat most of the time.
My friend just rolled BM and is doing awesome. The only thing they lack is burst. The pressure and defense are crazy.
is this a troll post? BM is not good. I have duo’d with a BM since BC and he is literally doing half the damage everyone else does in arenas. Don’t get me started with BGs because it is sad.
There is literally no pressure now with the nerfs that jsut came through to Basilisk Collar. and stealth nerf on Kill Command damage. You must not have played this week
Spec is garbage and i feel like trash
I don’t think that will change anytime soon at least this expansion. The defenses came for pve reasons. I don’t think they will redesign the it back to where it was for pvp reasons. Outside of Feign Death wall honor talent (survival tactics) its all pve talents and/or abilities. Only thing they can do is really number tune if possible.