gooood. gooooddd. all is going to plan.
Afflock is now spelled “spriest”.
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The difference is an ape with a 50 iq can do well on BM. Its funny watching all the people try to be good on feral.
Oh well indeed. Guess I will just play the other two instead of my plan to play all three if Bm is bad. Won’t be able to play anything until a couple days anyway to see things out for myself.
You’re an idiot.
Oh what?! Did it not get the pve buff?? That’s a BIG nerf if so.
Yeah people been posting that they changed the modifier but didn’t provide any notes for it. https ://x.com/leekatv/status/1843672033231782009
My thoughts are if you are going to nerf something fine but I don’t care what spec/class it is can you please just put it in the notes. Why all the secrecy?
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THIS makes much more sense…I was wondering why my ST damage felt so low compared to the 5% that everyone was saying in PvE. Thank you Hogx for explaining.
I really couldn’t understand with an apparent 5% nerf to ST why my damage literally plummeted in 3s. It feels like if I wasn’t constantly using 100% of my globals for any sort of damage I would be 30-40% behind every other DPS instead of like 10-20% behind. This stealth nerf makes a lot of sense now.
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A 20% stealth nerf to KC? Either this is gross incompetence or someone on the balance team has it out for BM.
BM started the xpac in the trash can, received some much needed buffs and became viable for around 2 weeks. Only to receive stealth nerfs to throw it back into the trash can again. GG blizz, well played.
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There was a 20% buff in pve to compensate for the barbed collar nerf, but it sounds like that just didn’t get pushed to the pvp modifier as well. Definitely report in game.
I think I speak for the majority when I say we are fine with BM, Demonology, Fury warrior, aff lock, augmentation, and fistweaver never being A or S tier,
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No, you are speaking for a small number of trolls. BM is a very popular spec and one of the few specs left with thriving class fantasy.
To say no spec should ever be viable in PVP, paints you as a biased troll who only wants to see their own spec on top in order to feel somewhat good at the game.
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I don’t think I am. In ideal world the top performing specs should be those that are most complex and most difficult to master at the highest level (thinking sub rogue here). The specs I mentioned tend to have a much lower skill ceiling, and require less thought/time for one to be semi-successful at a low to medium level.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t be viable, but if they’re win conditions are simply mash dps buttons 1,2,3 with little attention paid to CC, diminishing returns, strategies, etc, no, I don’t think they should be at the very top. Also, some specs just seem to be more toxic for the game than others when they overperform…(aff lock), which can be a problem.
Ah okay, so now we are heading towards the discussion of only some specs deserve the high rating that ultimately ends with the point of “let’s only watch RMP played at tournaments because they are the most complex specs and thus deserve to always win.”
How exciting!
Let’s say I agree with you. Should we also throw both warrior specs in there too? One could argue they are more button mashy than anything else.
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Arms has a bit more to it than fury, but we don’t usually see arms at the very top of the competitive ladder, and certainly don’t see it very successful in tournament play. It’s often strong or very strong, but at the highest levels, it usually doesn’t perform as well as some of the more complex specs do
I saw quite a lot of arms played with ret in tournaments the past couple xpacs to moderate success. But hey, who is actually watching. Am I right?
Yes, arms was a bit overtuned at certain points last expansion, and ret was way overturned for a brief time (DF S2 I think it was)?
This right here tells me everything I need to know about you as an arena player. You think the strength right now (or before the gutting of damage) for BM was turret damage with zero CC? What arena matches are you even playing in this Expac? Do you think a BM Hunter in higher rated solo shuffles or Tournaments is sitting there just pressing Call of the Wild and Beastial Wrath and just not moving at all?
You have NO clue about BM dude. The strength of the class is mobility and being able to CC a healer out without putting themself out of position. The damage was never “over the top” broken so far in this entire Expac. The reason they were played in Tournaments was because they have the highest mobility and defensive factor of any other Hunter spec and are safe picks to not get killed compared to MM or Survival while still providing good CC and healer lockdown.
Another strength of having mobility is being able to drag dumb mongo specs like Arms, Fury, DH, Monk, basically any melee out of LOS from their healer to kill them while still kiting properly. It’s always been about the mobility, never the damage with BM. Mobility and position advantage is what makes BM strong.
You thinking BM is just sitting there doing turret damage is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in my life.
^ hiding on classic alt defending BM lul
I’m just too lazy to change after playing SoD for awhile.