So I recently have been getting messages about using dps tier for blood dk in raid tanking. However, I get mixed views on if it is good or not was hoping to get some input and see what people think.
Go parse your little heart out with DPS tier.
Well im still using tank tier and people tell me i made a mistake because apparently once you hit 1430haste you get more blood strikes or smth like that. Also, a guildie told me that avoidance is pointless for bdks cause you cant get enough to push any hits of the table.
Death Strikes. Im using some dps tier as ive never won the head or new shoulder token yet. Have no issues with anything. Im even using a dps trinket as well.
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Ah yes death strikes
Saying avoidance is useless is certainly a take. Like, yeah, you don’t stack it or anything, but it seems like an exaggeration to say that it does nothing.
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The exact quote my guildie used was “Blood doesn’t really care about avoidance because you aren’t able to get enough to push any hits off the table like warriors and pals. Better to have more runes available for more deathstrikes”.
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I’ve not been playing my DK longer than a couple months and it’s certainly noticeable when I had less gear that I was taking more damage, but my avoidance only adds to 24% base in a defensive set. Not super well geared but 352 wearing the tank set and almost all avoidance/expertise pieces. DK healing is 20% damage sustained + 7% hp minimum. I’ve heard some tubers talk about that haste rating as well and am curious to try it myself but it feels so counter-intuitive to lower my potential avoidance.
Your guildie is a tank who is obsessed with parses and/or white room theorycrafting. This is why I hate healing BDKs, because an infinite time average damage taken curve is not the same as the actual experience of your health moving around. Your avoidance chance is an X% chance to not die when s*** hits the fan, you’re low health, and healers don’t get a chance to heal you for a few seconds for whatever reason. Sure, in a perfect world, this doesn’t happen and you don’t need to consider it when averaging over infinite time. In the real world, these things happen sometimes.
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I 100% agree with your statement about the avoidance chance and what not. Seems like the idea of dps set seems to be gettting more popular. I was tanking a BWD and had the exact same convo with the other tank, He claims that dps gear is better because of haste. Some people outright call me a noob for picking tank tier XD although that’s few and far between
Using that same logic, do you think Warriors should permanently forgo avoidance/mastery this tier and go strictly for DPS stats? Using that same logic, do you think Paladins should forgo avoidance/mastery until ~365 ilevel and go for DPS stats instead?
Just because you can’t get to a cap of a stat doesn’t mean that there’s no point in getting any of said stat.
Haste as a stat is not a great survivability stat. Mastery/stam are always going to be the best survivability stats in Cata. In the worst case, haste is the 3rd best stat. In the average case, dodge/parry are the 3rd and 4th best stats. If you’re tanking harder-hitting content (heroic modes, especially the 25 man versions of them), you’ll care much more about the worst case scenarios.
And if you don’t have an issue with survivability at all, then you can grab the DPS tier and pump those DPS numbers.
For survivability in the average case, high mastery offset pieces > tank tier > DPS tier.
For survivability in the worst case, high mastery offset pieces > mix of DPS/tank tier > DPS tier > tank tier.
For pumping DPS numbers, DPS tier > all else.
Well, that’s false. Even 1% parry/dodge pushes hits off the table. You’re already making your healer’s job harder this phase with such low stam/mastery on BDK.
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Quite insightful, thank you.
I know that DK’s use to, use a cd to turn themselves undead then the death coil themselves for healing. but it is haste, mastery, hit, expertise without armor or stam drop it should be okay.
More dps is always better.
Who cares if you have 1% more avoidance if you guarentee the fight ends 10 seconds sooner and save 5 hits?
We dont have lichborne in cata so we cant do that.
The group, when they wipe.
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ive tanked entirely in dps gear 13/13 heroic… tanking is just easy at this point. the class is powerful not the gear. But… tanking in dps gear has been a thing since vanilla classic… it isnt new.
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on both characters
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It’s true that tanking thanks to vengeance has become more of a joke in general… it’s creating arrogant “tanks” that previously were probably dps.
That said, yes I’ve already made my mind that I will start seeing dk’s “tank” needing on dps gear and it’s already a thing anyway as long it has mastery on it…
This is the problem with class design not the community…