Is giving your position away through week auras, following your ghost, following stealthed same faction characters to give away position, healing the enemy through sheep and MC heal, breaking CC etc simply not helping you kill the enemy faction? I don’t think so.
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For what reason exactly ?
I can’t really fathom why people are crying so much about “faction collusion”.
First of all, Blizzard takes a very firm stance against wrongful reporting. That much is made clear, particularly here…
Beyond that, though? Did you know there is a Horde NPC literally in our main city keeping us updated on the Horde progression? Faction collusion is literally what the whole event is about. So the collusion occurring is 100% the expectation, and predictable. The two factions are indeed working together to open these gates, so the emergent game play that has surfaced here, with the two factions very clearly working together to open the gates, is definitively logical from a canonical standpoint.
Now, from a game play standpoint, I get it, it doesn’t feel great to get caught in the crossfire, but PvP solutions for PvP problems, as always. If you’re on a PvE server then this isn’t even a concern in the first place.
Stop whining about “collusion” when that’s literally exactly what the game wants us to do.
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So making it a yearly event is out of the question? This way, we have an entire year in-between for gong bang farming and such.
Just make it a yearly event and tons of whining gets magically solved.
What perceived problem would this solve?
- WeakAuras would only help same-faction locate you roughly if you’re nearby. There is nothing wrong with knowing roughly where anyone on your faction is located.
- Following players is likewise not against any rules, whether dead, stealthed, or otherwise.
- Giving away your position requires either 3rd party comms (which aren’t against the rules and aren’t within Blizzard’s reach anyway) or hopping around around you… in which they can see you anyway.
- There is nothing wrong with casting polymorph or mind control on the opposite faction, and there is no rule that says all interactions between factions must be hostile and end in death.
- There is no rule against breaking CC.
- There is no duty to help the same faction kill the opposite faction.
You literally list a bunch of perfectly valid actions that can assist with cross-faction collusion, but are neither actionable in and of themselves, nor prove collusion in and of themselves.
Apparently, you think wrong.
Blizzard thinks in terms of months and years.
Players (in this forum) think in terms of hours and days.
If something becomes a “hot issue” in this forum, we expect Blizzard to swoop in and respond to it IN HOURS…or at worst IN A COUPLE DAYS.
Meanwhile Blizzard thinks “hmmmm, let’s see what happens next month”.
WoW is like the country – the laws can’t change every week. That’s just chaos. Nobody can plan anything, or do anything, if the rules keep changing.
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Many individually innocent actions combined. Can form a not innocent action.
I can jump in cities. I can explore areas where guards cannot path. I can attack players. Combined that is safe spotting.
I can kill quest givers. I can repeatedly kill the same spawn. Combined that’s zone disruption.
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I didn’t say that I thought Blizzard would do anything. I keep saying that Blizzard will not do anything.
I said that those things are not the same as simply watching some PVP and not stepping in. “Respect the 1v1” is common and does not mean collaboration. The things I mentioned all help the enemy faction and are not just watching. The things mentioned are exactly what is happening in these collusions as well so if you think they aren’t I don’t know what to tell you.
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I’ll always aim to work with my faction but if players won’t be reasoned with, I’ll work with the next best thing.
Why would they? None of those things are actionable.
So the difference is the subjective threshold of whether or not some number of opposite faction members benefit from otherwise valid behavior?
I didn’t deny them happening, I just wonder what you think should be done about it when they aren’t against any CoC.
You probably play on a 70 30 horde to alliance serv
i rarely saw in my life such a sellout. Futur politicien over here .
Telling the truth is good for the moral, People always give me tons of respect for just doing what i said when said i would do. Help you sleep at night influence your dream too.
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I don’t know why you keep responding to me and breaking apart everything I say, especially after I said I don’t expect Blizzard to do anything. I mean I’m of the opinion that they should keep the integrity of their game in check and not allow same faction griefing but I don’t think they will.
I think it’s pretty obvious that the things I mentioned are not just some “subjective threshold” and “Valid behavior”. If you watched a video (and there are some) it is obvious immediately what was going on. Following someones ghost around for the opposite faction to find upon rez for example is in no way normal and literally only happens in these scenarios.
I mean we are just bringing these things up at this point to talk about them right? Since Blizzard will do nothing. I guess other things can be done such as making a list and excluding these people from groups, premades, future guild invites etc. But they obviously are already in their own groups now so it may not mean much.
Or you can go the other route and make a character of the opposite faction and get some friends and proceed to treat them the same as they have treated you.
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I still have no idea what you’re trying to say.
It isn’t griefing, that’s the entire point.
Which of these, specifically, is actionable? You keep dodging this very simple concept.
I mean sure, you could blacklist them, and you’d be fine to do so, and Blizzard couldn’t do anything about it, despite it potentially dramatically harming that person’s play experience. But that’s entirely the point: you can create outside-of-the-game standards on your own and potentially hold people to account how you want, which is what is happening here to you in Silithus. Blizzard isn’t going to favor your side because your coalition is less effective.
Also remember the blanket of PvP Server blesses almost anything the opposite faction does to you, regardless of how your own faction responds. You keep harping on ghost-following as if that’s meaningfully different than just a ton of Alliance fanned out looking to jump you again to keep you on a lengthy respawn timer. Your solution is the same: PvP more effectively.
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Nope. Play on Arugal. Alliance were king.
BoK, an Alliance guild is managing 3.5 mounts per week.
It is not a Museum piece. I wonder if people know what this actually means.
I think the term used by Blizzard was “historical recreation”.
Just because this happened on your private server and that was allowed doesn’t mean it was allowed in vanilla
Back then they actually banned people for cross-faction collusion
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Imagine playing classic without having both a horde and alliance character on the same server. Casuals.