Blizzard trying to villainize Tyrande

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Excuse me? Did I miss a cutscene or something? We defeated the Legion and declared war? I certainly don’t remember that. And just because one side declares “war” doesn’t mean their killings aren’t murder. If it matters, every time an Alliance solder strikes down an unarmed Horde member all he has to do is shout “war” and everyone accepts that its justified. Azeroth must be located in Florida or something.

But whatever. This just goes back to the same circular argument these boards have been flooded with since forever. What you do is wrong and what I do is right no matter who’s talking. Its boring and dull and I really wish Blizzard would get their hands out of China’s wallet and do something different. I knew this direction of a faction war didn’t sound appealing and overall it hasn’t been. I’ve liked elements of it like Jaina, Saurfang, Talanji, Rokan, and a few others but so much of the rest was just stupid and pointless to me. Especially since this is supposed to be a game story not a character piece. They took Sylvanas and made her an anime cartoon with secret plots within plots that we are just barely getting the tip of long after I couldn’t care less as long as she’s gone from WoW forever (like Arthas would be a nice sendoff just as long as she’s off).

But this back and forth Alliance versus Horde on the forums… that’s really beyond annoying. And I think its weird that people identify with a made up faction so much that they see the real world only through that lens so the opposing team is always wrong to the point that unjustified killing is now dependent on technicalities. Plus the judging people of the character they post with… I mean I’ve been playing this game since before BC so do you really think I’m a blueberry elf?

Just to add some more salt, I thought Rastakan’s death was justified as he was aiding the enemy but overall a dumb move because the Alliance had actual Horde targets to go after instead of the one target that would do the actual thing going after that target was supposed to prevent. The writing is so dumb at times with one faction when that other faction also receives more actual game story to boot (though to be fair the Horde story was kinda dumb with a lot of allied race setup that served no other purpose than allied races but at least they got to see what this snake man deal was heading to which reminds me, great absence of why any faction is going into the opposite’s dungeons to the point you just do and I think only one character even noticed). They seriously only had one small story to tell and chopped it up and divided it as best they could (assuming they gave anything their best).

Ah, now I’m ready for Blizzcon. There’s hopefully something good coming out of this rather incomplete weirdo infatuation fantasy someone has for a dead elf. But I really expect to need my throat enlarged for more of her next expac. I know the writers are better than this but this. Whatever went wrong behind the scenes I hope they get it fixed soonish (assuming they don’t cause another internet uproar between now and then.

God, I really hate that b****. And sorry I went off on that little comment but its just so tiring that these forums are still full of this self justification because you like one thing someone else might not. That’s okay. I used to only play Horde then Garrosh thought enough time had passed since 9/11 so maybe we should start blowing up cities (or towns… whatever Theramore was). Back when I started playing Horde was for the “adults” and the Alliance for “children” (you know making such a statement always tells the world you are an “adult” so they listen to you closely from then on. Total fact.)

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I am just here to make sure They don’t Garrosh and Sylvanas mah Tyrande…

This is why wrath was so good none of the factions got major villain bat (besides the wrath gate) and the faction conflict was heated enough but not the center of a player inter action game. We can have world pvp and battlegrounds, but trying to base a whole story on the conflict is well disappointing

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we were at war during much of the legion invasion.

warcraft wars are states of total war.
it’s something that irl we avoid like that plague any more due to the ethical failings of such warfare

it depends on the timing of the attack, in general it’s not viewed as unjustified when war is on, during the intermediate periods of peace and treaties that inevitably fail however it is considered murder by the alliance
the alliance deems their soldiers killing innocents outside of war as murder
the horde deems their soldiers killing innocents outside of war as murder

there’s a difference between right/wrong and even ethical vs non ethical and what is and is not permitted in a wartime environment
in situations like total war everything is a target, there is no such thing as a non combatant and both sides have demonstrated this repeatedly

because it is, everything about the war in bfa was absurd
but it’s not over and it appears likely that something else is pulling the strings from the sidelines in an effort to weaken both sides

sylvnaas has always been portrayed to have secret dealings out the wazoo
which makes sense given her heritage from before undeath

when speaking on the forums it’s mostly common to do this because people (usually) identify with their character
it’s a means to create a more “wow” like enviroment in the forums

rasta was the leader of the Kul’Tiran’s enemy, and the leader of the city in which the horde was basing it’s operations to attack the kul’tiran operations

him being a target makes perfect sense

it’ll likely expand upon the sylvanas story, with tyrande tied in
potentially (based on leaks) with us discovering that the old gods are directly responsible for much of this
with our raid upon ny’alotha failing and (potentially) resulting in our deaths and the LK and bwonsandi acting as a bulwark against death and allowing the fight to not just…end

there are ways to do it that are engaging and entertaining, but it also requires it to be a slow boil of an expansion with the focus genuinely just being that there’s a lull in “outer” threats to the world

the reason BFA failed the faction war conflict as a story point is that it was never designed to be the primary mover of the story for the expac, N’zoth was

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Some of the arguments made in this thread would look better with citations, because right now some of it reads a lot like inaccurate hearsay or just plain hot air. Night elves committing genocide? I recall a single, minute caste of whackado elves in ancient times that match this description. The ancient Highborne, to be precise? The ones that share a more direct cultural lineage with the nightborne and blood elves? :thinking:

Arguments pertaining to lore can be much stronger when examples are provided.

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The Alliance is angry because one of their characters is getting the “you’re now evil” treatment from Blizzard?

That’s cute.

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There were alliance players who were angry with them hitting sylvanas with the Villain bat too. So what’s your point?

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I hate where things have gone since Cata.

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My biggest problem with this is Anduin saying that he hopes this doesn’t drive the two closer together which is what happened. Though I’m sure, like everyone else I suspect, thought they were already allied. The Horde champion did after all save the kingdom then they got to make it official I guess.

In any case the writers signaled that this pointless when Anduin says he hopes it doesn’t bring them together and continues on makes him look stupid and uncaring (in Tyrande’s case). He couldn’t help her because of a mission he suspected would do the exact opposite of the goal when she had the fire already the Alliance was so desperate to give the Zandalari. Now if they had just left the mission to the destruction of the Zandalari fleet, everyone would come off looking better and that didn’t need the complete forces of the Alliance to accomplish. Obviously the whole point of the plot was to drive a rift between the Alliance and Tyrande (they’ve set that up twice so far) and making sense actually wasn’t considered. This is the Alliance after all. You’d have to come up with something really compelling to make the Alliance turn its back on one of its own for a scheme that may or may not even have a chance of working. So of course instead of being creative they just went the Tyrande is a hot head and Anduin doesn’t have a heart at just the wrong time. Really, what’s he going to say to her when his plot fails? I think the perfect phrase you use in that situation is “Here Tyrande sign this peace treaty with the murderers of your people because I hate seeing people die from the Eastern Kingdoms.” In case its not clear, whoever’s writing Anduin this expansion you suck bad so stop it. I thought it was supposed to be Golden but truth be told I think even she writes him like a mewing kitten. I think they’re going for a gentle man but either they have never seen one or that’s not what they want.

The writing this expac has just been so bad that its almost like its intentional. My take away is they wanted the night warrior plot and so of course like most writers the best way to move plots forward is make every character involved stupid. It really pulls the audience in like nothing else.

Now don’t get me wrong. Overall, I’ve enjoyed BfA quite a lot and much of that is due to writing. But there are parts that are beyond bad like only video game writing can be this bad. You certainly don’t enforce logic holes by having characters address them then proceed anyway. Eventually we as players will stop caring about the character.

While they had Sylvanas twirling her mustache they twirled me completely out of any enjoyment I once had for the character. And that was quite a lot. Varian was always my favorite but I’ve come to appreciate a number of others since. Jaine was certainly more interesting after Theramore and I thought that was a stupid idiot of a character up to that point (I found WoW before any other game first).

I do try not to write any character off though. Nathanos is probably my least liked character so whatever happens to him can’t come soon enough. They’ve gotten me at least interested in Sylvanas actions now while before I was like just make her a raid boss so we can move past her. I’m still almost certain they will make some attempt to rescue the character after the hatchet job they’ve done on her but if its not handled well (which I’m certain won’t be) could end up spoiling the entire game for me if they keep pushing her on us.

Its with that outlook that I go into whats coming for Tyrande. Normally I’d be thrilled knowing she might get some spotlight but they way things have gone for most of the cast I can’t help dread whats coming. I’m interested how all this fits together but Tyrande written by Blizzard 2019… that’s already a heartbreaking thought.

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The actions you are quoting have already been put o rest, and the Horde (real Horde) and Alliance both understood the level of escalation Sylvanas took. We were not in war when Sylvanas committed her atrocities (which would have been horrible even in war time), hence Thrall knew well that we owed the Night Elves an apology.

It was clear from the beginning that Sylvanas was not acting in the Horde’s best interest, which was confirmed with what she said during the Mak’gora. Sylvanas sympathizers don’t speak for the Horde…

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Wow, impressive Necro.
I was almost confused because of the post date and being like “I know I saw this before…”

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This is exactly what Blizzard will do because you know the more Night Elf bullying the better.

Maybe they should kill Malfurion as well and be done with this race.

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Holy Necro Batman!!!

Kill Malfurion!! Save Tyrande!

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kill all the horde - except Vulpera, they should join the Alliance. then -
DEATH TO THE HORDE !

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Would you still murder me if you found out I made excellent quesadillas?

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But its like world of WARcraft!..goes the faction fight likers.

We always get a bigger evil to fight. Personally that would meet the War in warcraft part for me. Some day both sides have to realize when they are bashing each other’s skulls…some 3rd party takes this time to sneak in and gain power. Less fighting each other…harder it is for 3rd party to do this.

Or if we must have this…lets go full bore. The secret to Warhammer(40k). The empires of man don’t kiss and make up. They are eternal male organs. If the orcs are quiet…well then Humans are happy to pick a fight. Sigmar or Emperor be praised said often while doing it even.

So are all the other races. Makes the story easier and flows better. I have to kill you as I know you will kill me.

And thus games workshop pushes a story in a hobby that costs big money for years. I know my TT armies weren’t cheap lol. Fun to build and run, yes. NOt cheap though.

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Oh please, as if blizzard had the gaws to ever harm their precious mary sue faction.

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Either one whose hit their head posting this on a horde toon,someone who needs to accept for now that the war’s over because poeple are tired of the red vs blue BS or…sniffs the air if my senses serve me well,this is a concealed thread from a loyalist simping for the banshee wench.