Blizzard Silently Nerfed Dual-Wield Killing Machine Proc Rate in Shadowlands

outscaling the content because tanks could be completely capped on defensive substats so you couldnt take an unmitigated hit at that time was possible so saying you were unkillable as dw blood isnt saying much when all the tanks were capable of this.

dw blood was bad because you tanked your damage output for no noticeable gain in mitigation. literally less than a 1% gain in def stats from weapons isnt what made you unkillable. Additionally parry hasting was still a thing in wrath iirc so you potentially took more spike damage as a result of dual wield tanking.

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You have absolutely no clue what you’re on about. I rest my case on the subject.

Threat was never an issue, goes to show how much you actually did anything useful back then. And no, I watched tanks die to stuff I never did. You can keep the cookie, anything from you is stale.

No, DW blood wasnt viable. As others have pointed out, DW blood was basically 1h blood and you lost a lot of threat. If threat wasnt an issue for you then your group/raid was playing around it and you were hurting the potential of the group.

And if threat wasnt an issue, why did so many have trouble with it? Especially in ICC with the 30% dodge reduction so you didnt have access to Rune Strike as much, which resulted in Blizzard increasing the threat of Icy Touch through the roof while in Frost Presenc?

I watched tanks die to stuff I never did as well. I solo tanked stuff as Frost
 so what? Those other tanks were either bad, or didnt have the right gear to tank, like no defense or avoidance what so ever to talk about, and no hit/expertise to be able to build threat.

DW Blood even as a tank was garbage.

anecdotal evidence is just that. dual wielding wasn’t what was keeping you alive compared to other tanks.

dw blood was “viable” in that you could do it and clear content. it was extremely suboptimal though as you are correct in stating that its essentially 1h blood as weapon strikes would only count the main hand which was a hefty dps loss.

Intentionally hamstringing your dps output as a tank is potentially causing a fight to take longer and can cause you to take more damage overall compared to other tanks on top of the other mechanics i mentioned in my previous post.

DPS loss means threat loss as well which makes your group have to work harder to not pull threat at the time which makes it not viable, or your other tank not being able to attack when you have to swap on boss fights that required it.

You also couldnt just spam taunt back then because there was taunt immunity.

So no it wasnt viable. If you werent going 2h with Blood or Unholy, picking up 2h weapon specialization unless you just absolutely needed another talent set for unholy because you were absolutely picking it up for blood, then you were just a burden to everyone.

You keep saying this, are there logs or other data to look at to back up what you’re saying? You do a good job laying out why sims shouldn’t be trusted in your OP, so I’m assuming you won’t try to have your cake and eat it too by saying that this is 100% sim based?

I’d be ok with screen shots of details break down if that’s all there is.

This is based off Sims. I believe Sims are useful, just need to make sure their behaviour matched in-game.

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viable just means you could do it and meet with success. you COULD dual wield blood and clear content like i said. im agreeing with you that it was bad and anyone doing it was forcing others in the group to compensate. the word you are looking for is suboptimal.

So you do know you can put her on ignore right? you wont see her post. It will give you the option to look at her post but yea you can ignore the troll.

Capable of working successfully; feasible.

Feasible is possible to do easily or conveniently.

DW blood or even Unholy during that time, doesnt fall under that category. Its not easy or convenient if the rest of the group has to compensate that much. It wasnt viable.

I would say 2h frost was more viable as a tank back then than DW blood ever was.