Sweet. I love being lazy.
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So they have to upgrade the box, again, to get higher ilvl gear to drop in m+? No? Ok then your point isnât anywhere near what I was talking about, try again.
Definitely can, actually. They just donât want to take that long doing it, so they try to outgear the content to get it down week 2, 3, etc instead of what would be later. Hence why when raiding content gets re-released later (See Classic, or Pservers) they go down a lot earlier in lower ilvl gear.
Mythic raiders arenât downing the last boss of the raid in Heroic gear.
I think theyâre high or something.
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It should have been this way all long. The fact that the previous design sounded bad resulted in people saying (a fair number of them) that they were skipping the patch and doing a wait-and-see on 10.0. They arenât heroes. They lost customers over this.
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Some ââââmightââââ but theyâre not the norm at all and arenât part of this discussion because theyâre not the norm for the players of this game.
What exactly is the problem with the progression for open world stopping at Normal Raid ilvl?
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Do you have any evidence to substantiate that, or no?
I just think if âthe filthy casualsâ ie majority are required to âprogressâ a time gated box system and grind currency in the new zone to get their âmax ilvl gearâ to even DROP the same should be true of M+, raiders, etc.
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No, they have to upgrade their social ability and do it as a group. The box upgrade is for people to do solo. Want those higher rewards faster? You need to group up. Call it a solo time tax if you want
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how is it elitist to tell you to go find a group to do heroic with lol?
Thereâs no time-gated box for âsocial abilityâ and in fact, you can buy raid and M+ carries without any conversation, etc. Touting âsocial ability upgradeâ as something for raiding and M+ is silly. :3
Want a solo time tax? Hereâs a tax - retail wow has less raiders than TBC classic, and retail is bleeding subs more than any other game. Have fun playing your âmmorpgâ where you try to gatekeep people you think are âbeneathâ you for not always partaking in YOUR specific choice of group content Kalistiria
They are for normal/heroic, mmyep. Day 1 actually.
It takes some time, yes. Not as much as it used to, because they do weird stuff like spending millions of gold on BoEs, getting lended gold from boost communities, and âsplit runsâ with either guild or randoms depending how many they do.
Go for it, just donât complain when you canât get anyone for M+, or new recruits for raids when yours quit because no one wants to play this game anymore because the 1% decided to push the rest out. :3
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You have an incredibly warped idea of how fast raiders/m+/pvpers get geared.
They arenât and havenât though. You can obtain gear that is Normal Raid ilvl, thatâs pretty generous for killing 10 mechanical chickens.
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Gonna take those doing world content longer, because they have to upgrade the box before even getting that ilvl to drop. Imagine killing mythic raid bosses, you get your drop! But itâs a couple weeks away from when youâll be able to get the âmax ilvlâ version so in essence, itâs pointless.
Bruh, people go literal months without getting the piece they want. Some folks go 2 months without even getting to the boss they want for the piece of gear they even get a chance at. Then when they finally down the boss they want, it takes them a month to even see their drop but then it dropped for the guild member that doesnât even need it but canât trade it because it was an ilvl upgrade.
Sit down and kill your chickens for your normal raid tier loot.
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After trying to follow this thread but getting no where do solo players like myself upgrade a box for our progression to upgrade our gear up too 252 or so and it is same box everyone else upgrades just mine takes longer.
If this is the case then give me the dang box so I can upgrade it because I am one of those solo players that want to earn my gear not have mythic handed to me upon log in.
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Same thing for World content, months before they get that drop they want, sometimes more, etc.
Same for world content, they never get to see the âwqâ or whatever up that will drop it.
Same thing for world content, amazing.
Nope, I just wonât partake. Will keep playing Classic, you know the game with higher raid numbers than retail. :3
Sit down and Checks notes Not even raid mythic yourself but try to say what mythic people deserve or world content people deserve.
too little too late for me I checked it out this month but canât hang with the grind. Korthia is awful and Iâm not spending all my day doing catch up.
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Itâs just like catalogue research from Korthia. There are a set a mount of tiers you can achieve and said tiers give you access to upgrade your gear further.
Correct, those willing to be social and play with others donât need to be time-gated. Thatâs always been the norm for WoW
Incorrect. Setting up pricing and discussing what you need is a conversation. You donât have to upgrade the box for those, either, so I donât see what your problem is there
Do you have any kind of information backing that claim up, or are your sources âtrust me, broâ ?
Who was I trying to gatekeep and in what way? Iâm not stopping anyone from doing g group content, nor am I saying not to give solo players the gear. Blizzard designed a system for solo people to work up to better gear, why do you think k thatâs a bad thing, or are you just too impatient to actually do something for your upgrades?
Typically outdoor content is significantly easier to complete than dungeon or raid content, and the rewards tend to reflect that
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Bad move. Donât go there. 
This whole topic will be changed.
READ what i postedâŚis it that hard for you to do?
I did read, all of the conversation.
my question still stands