Blizzard Logic is getting confusing

I am just struggling to see where players will regularly have these 6 second windows of taking no damage and not moving, in a m+/raid setting, to the point the racial will be abused.

Tone it down. I don’t care. I just don’t think its going to effect worthwhile pve as much as people say it will.

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What mythic+ or raid are you running exactly?

There is plenty of times where I could personally use that racial as all 3 roles in raids or M+.

Root the melee mobs, then use the racial.

Even a tick of it does more than the Gift of the Nauru racial.

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Take a warlock gateway, leap across the room and heal back up to full and then jump back onto the boss. This is just one example of how easily exploitable the ability is.

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As a dps in heroic/pushing to mythic raiding, I would never get the full heal amount in a raid setting.

Doing any m+ 10 and higher, I can’t imagine a scenario I would regularly need this. Can it help out under a perfect condition niche setting? Definitely.

But I am never seeing these 6 second windows that I don’t need to be dpsing, have the luxury of standing still (raids are incredibly move intensive), and won’t be taking constant periodic damage.

Tank swap, lose threat, heal, tank swap, lose threat, heal. Two Zan tanks can pull a boss off of each other pretty easily.

Two Zan tanks means this ability is basically being used every 45 seconds to full heal a tank. Seems pretty broken.

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I don’t know why racials are turning into an arms race. The homogenization of racials multiple expansions ago was done to alleviate the pressure of having to play a certain race for preferred content (raiding vs. PvP). Races can never be 100% equal, but these new racials on both sides are head an shoulders above their respective faction races.

This is kind of like the "bring the player not the class message Blizzard pushed…which kind of ended up like the whole #BeBest campaign…hypocritical.

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A lot of raid dmg is avoidable…

It’s about timing the racial. Yea, if you blindly use the racial with no idea what’s coming up, or what’s about to happen, then the racial is worthless to you.

But a majority of high end players know when aoe dmg is about to come out, and when the best times are to use a move such as that.

Now there IS boss fights such as grong where this racial is worthless, but again, racials such as meld is worthless on most bosses in that raid as well.

The racial Zandalari have currently is powerful in EVERY part of the current game.

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Addons tell a person when something is coming up, a person could literally see that they have X time until a boss ability is off cooldown.

FWIW, the confusing part is all the sources of the currency. (Not the case for PVP beyond picking ideal items.)

(Vendors are good when their currency sources aren’t bloated.)

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And again,

I’m all for the zandalri racial, I just think it needs to be toned down.

Heck, even bringing it back to a 4 second cast and making it heal 35% would be fine in my eyes. Or keep it at 6 seconds and make it 50% HP

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Blizzard game design
Logic

pick one

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But the currency has been brought into line, it’s not nearly as complicated as it used to be. Besides the currency for PvP gear was already in game.

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I agree with PVP vendors. :slight_smile:

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isn’t recreational EmJay now legal in Irvine?

Can you give me specific fights this would take place on?

Champion of Light? Nope. A dot is on the tank that can’t be cured.

Grong? Nope. Once again. Bleed dot.

Jadefire Masters? Nope. Stacking tank dot that pushes the tank swap

Opulence? Your tank swaps are tied to your Diamond gem to begin with.

Conclave? So much damage and dots on tanks that can’t be cured.

King Rasta? Good luck standing still for 6 seconds.

Mekka? Like anyone really gets to stand still for 6 seconds and avoid damage here. Esp the tanks.

Stormwall Blockade? LOL

Jaina? No comment. Between the constant damage, the constant movement.

So once again. What fights will your strategy be taking place on?

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Also guys,

My main purpose of this thread was to get KT racial back in PvP :stuck_out_tongue:

Even though I agree with zandalari racial nerf.

None of these effects can be removed? Besides my point was completely hypothetical, as the Zan trolls aren’t even out yet.

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There is more than just tanks in the raid you know…

And again, meld is not useful in ANY of those fights, so trying to justify a broken racial off of a spec because a certain boss is not helping your case.

P.S.
Meld is useful on grong though :slight_smile:

Nope. Tanks are regularly getting hit with dots that can not be removed. If we are going to complain about hypothetical situations that don’t exist in game. /shrug. Knock yourself out. I could come up with hypothetical situations for any racial I am sure.

Of course I know that. its why I also quoted the person i was talking to…that was specifically talking about using it as a tank swap/heal mechanic.

Shadowmeld is one of the best PVE racials in the game. Being able to aggro-reset during boss Berserk is really good. Lots of top-tier progression kills used similar tactics. (Not very recently, but recent enough to still be a thing – encounter mechanics permitting.)

Mechanical spells – used cleverly – are really good.

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